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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2019, 05:49:41 PM »
Peace....

Yes some translated or given the meaning of snake bite.. For some time in the past I thought it is right... But not now.. But I am not convinced either.. But not taking it as snake bite... But take as below verse...

Verse  10:12 "And when affliction touches man, he calls upon Us, whether lying on his side or sitting or standing; but when We remove from him his affliction, he continues [in disobedience] as if he had never called upon Us to [remove] an affliction that touched him. Thus is made pleasing to the transgressors that which they have been doing"

I think above verse may help to comprehend on that... Coz all key words are here... For me it seems Ayyub was affected with suffering for a quite long period... So he approached God's help....
I prefer not to take as snake bite... For me personally it does not give meaning... One is bitten by snake and calls God and God cures that is simply freaky thing to be included in Quran... Has no value for the reader... That's my understanding... But while studying Quran people may get various idea... But I won't say the root doest hsve the meaning of snake as well...
If I'm not mistaken I hve seen one mentioned that malak and Satan apear same number of time in Quran... So.. If we consider two of those to be snke then that's waste of those tally...
Anyhow.. No harm.. This verse won't make our belief weak...

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2019, 08:10:17 PM »
Peace....

Yes some translated or given the meaning of snake bite.. For some time in the past I thought it is right... But not now.. But I am not convinced either.. But not taking it as snake bite... But take as below verse...

Verse  10:12 "And when affliction touches man, he calls upon Us, whether lying on his side or sitting or standing; but when We remove from him his affliction, he continues [in disobedience] as if he had never called upon Us to [remove] an affliction that touched him. Thus is made pleasing to the transgressors that which they have been doing"

I think above verse may help to comprehend on that... Coz all key words are here... For me it seems Ayyub was affected with suffering for a quite long period... So he approached God's help....
I prefer not to take as snake bite... For me personally it does not give meaning... One is bitten by snake and calls God and God cures that is simply freaky thing to be included in Quran... Has no value for the reader... That's my understanding... But while studying Quran people may get various idea... But I won't say the root doest hsve the meaning of snake as well...
If I'm not mistaken I hve seen one mentioned that malak and Satan apear same number of time in Quran... So.. If we consider two of those to be snke then that's waste of those tally...
Anyhow.. No harm.. This verse won't make our belief weak...

As per my personal  research and comprehensive study of Quran so far, Satan and malak is status not physical creature... Status given in to a physical creature...
Malika is always positive and peaceful and rightly guided... On the other hand Satan is negative and always evil and wrongly guided..
Satan can be in Men and Jin... 6:112
So.. It is not necessary that Ayyub was affected by Jin Satan, it could be human Satan who afflicted Ayyub and family ... From all such affliction God saved them...

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2019, 08:37:29 PM »
Also never consider that Satan cannot afflict harm to human...

58:10 Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah. And upon Allah let the believers rely"

So under certain circumstances Satan can physically harm people.. But Satan always waiting to whisper evil to us...  But physically harming is not beyond possibility... That's in fact possible.. That's why Men approach Jin for help as mentioned in chapter 72

If you read all Satan verses you definitely find that Satan is not always Satan we perceived but Satan of Human is also there...

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2019, 06:17:50 AM »
I think it's important to recognize our enemy.

This is an interesting article to translate for English speakers

http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-part7.pdf

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2019, 09:05:29 AM »
Part 4 to 8 should be translated, i really wan't to read the rest of Ayman's PDF's.

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2019, 07:57:57 PM »
I think it's important to recognize our enemy.

This is an interesting article to translate for English speakers

http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-part7.pdf

I downloaded it is in Arabic PDF... Would someone send the English translation of this.. It seems like interesting since Sardar claim...

Btw... I would like to add few comment on affliction, harm Satan causes.. How it can be seen in reality...
Take the Yousuf story...
Read verses 12:5, 12:42 & 12:100 in which Satan is included... These cannot be human Satan... But Jin Satan...
Satan is master in making discord between good relationship and making a good thing a hardship... From the time Yousuf revealed his dream to his father Satan was active..
In 12:5 Yousuf father says not to disclose the dream to his brothers but involved Satan into picture... Yousuf didn't disclose but Satan already heard it... Plan started... Yousuf started suffering slowly coz of his brothers... Satan was active behind his brothers action...

12:42... Yousuf could have been released had that person passed the message.. But God Himself stated Satan made him forget... So Satan prefer Yousuf suffer and be in prison... That's harming a person without directly involving....
Then in 12:100...Yousuf himself blamed Satan insted of his brothers... Discord was made by Satan between him and brothers... There started all suffering...  But God saved Yousuf helped Yousuf and family...
But we should learn that Satan gave hardship to Yousuf and family....
This is affliction of hardship... In this way you can take lots of example in Quran...
In such way Satan could have afflicted harm to Ayyub... We don't know how he suffered but definitely Satan involved... So Ayyub rightly claimed Satan touched with affliction and harm on him...
That's my understanding...

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2019, 12:02:49 AM »
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But God Himself stated Satan made him forget... So Satan prefer Yousuf suffer and be in prison...

Far fetched inference from otherwise straight forward statement.


ٱلَّذِينَ يَأْكُلُونَ ٱلرِّبَوٰا۟ لَا يَقُومُونَ إِلَّا كَمَا يَقُومُ ٱلَّذِى يَتَخَبَّطُهُ ٱلشَّيْطَٟنُ مِنَ ٱلْمَسِّۚ

Know about those who devour compound interest/incremental gain  on lent money: they stand not except like the standing of that person whom Cobra transforms [خَابِطٌ] confounded-diplopic, caused by bite.

ذَٟلِكَ بِأَنَّـهُـمْ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَا ٱلْبَيْعُ مِثْلُ ٱلرِّبَوٰا۟ۗ

This parable for their transformation is for the reason that they said to people; "The credit sale is just like the compound interest/incremental gain on lent money."

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قَالَ أَرَءَيْتَ إِذْ أَوَيْنَآ إِلَـى ٱلصَّخْرَةِ فَإِ نِّـى نَسِيتُ ٱلْحُوتَ

He replied, "Do you recall when we rested on the rock, thereat [tiredness] I forgot the fish —

وَمَآ أَنْسَٟنِيهُ إِلَّا ٱلشَّيْطَٟنُ أَنْ أَذْكُرَهُۥۚ

And none made me forgetful except Shaitaan that I should have mentioned that to you —

وَٱتَّخَذَ سَبِيلَهُۥ فِـى ٱلْبَحْرِ عَجَبٙا .18:63٦٣

That fish found its way into the river in an amazing manner." [18:63]

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2019, 02:48:16 AM »
I believe satan is the body's influence on the mind. It's not the body, it's not the mind, it is the influence itself. The way it takes over your mind, lead you into action or inaction, restricts your choices and alters your view of other things based on a false perception...It's a very complex thing that happens within, and it is refered to as "satan". And if people of old chose to think of it as a "demonic force" it's fine. But we have more knowledge today about it.

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2019, 03:06:21 AM »
the majority of diseases are of mental origin: fear, anxiety, anguish, depression, burn out ...etc

Satan breathes thoughts into the human beings who are at the origin of these states.

We believe thoughts and we become a thought. Our energy is monopolized by thoughts.

An emotion is the body's reaction to thoughts.

We forget because the mind is monopolized by other thoughts.

Satan infused thoughts to incite Adam to disobey.

Satan has no power, his role is to seduce and embellish conjectures. It is the human being who adheres to these thoughts.

There are good and bad thoughts, it's up to everyone to make the right choice to lead a peaceful life.

Good thoughts are at the origin of excellent inventions. Bad thoughts are destructive.

Thought is at the origin of all that one creates.

God creates by the verb.




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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2019, 04:12:47 AM »
I believe satan is the body's influence on the mind. It's not the body, it's not the mind, it is the influence itself. The way it takes over your mind, lead you into action or inaction, restricts your choices and alters your view of other things based on a false perception...It's a very complex thing that happens within, and it is refered to as "satan". And if people of old chose to think of it as a "demonic force" it's fine. But we have more knowledge today about it.

Dear Cereburus.....

Check below verse tally with your above statement....

7:27 O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe."

Btw concern here in this topic is snake  ...do you think snake befit for this verse....