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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2019, 01:31:40 PM »

And they are made to think like this, it's an illusion because people love money and possession.

 Therefore the value comes from our love of it.


We TRAINED to love it due to some reasons.

We TRAINED to value it as well for the sake of same reasons.

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Shelter, eating, wearing, travelling, education require MONEY to aquire those necessities.

If we go against to love money or value money we considered as " big losers " or who are not seriouse "TOWARDS" their lives.

Also with the help of money one can get "authority" to control/employee other individuals what make people feel like king/leader over them.

Crimes most of them related with money due to the concept of getting success on shortcut basis.

Even author of Quran threats people with MONEY.

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* we will test you with money and fear of loss.
* its God who make someone rich or poor.
* its god who restrict someone welath or give a lot to whoever he wish.
* its God who made ranks among people so that one can take advantage/work/service from others.

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2019, 02:35:56 AM »
For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...
Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

Because God gives His blessings to everything.

1.Are you questioning this because of envy?
2.And you think you are truer believer than the 'celebrities'?

My advice is to workout on #1 and #2, because that's what matter.
Envy and pride are the cause of (self-inducted) sufferings.

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

Correct it's all merely an illusion.
The question is not how much/many that you have, but what you are doing with what you have.

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2019, 10:34:52 AM »

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

No, it's a human instinct to love possession in the like of animals. This "illusion" you can only tell it's an illusion once you start thinking about everything with reason.

The more people that know you, the better you feel about yourself and the more you value what they say about you.
The more things you own, the better you feel about yourself and the more you are worried not to lose those things.
etc etc. Such people are only about how they feel about themselves. They do not reason.

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2019, 11:11:33 AM »
No, it's a human instinct to love possession in the like of animals. This "illusion" you can only tell it's an illusion once you start thinking about everything with reason.


Correct it's all merely an illusion.
The question is not how much/many that you have, but what you are doing with what you have.

Thats the problem with money illusion... We are not sure what to do with what we have...

In some cases money value is in (- ve) i.e shape of loan, overdraft or borrow from someone.
We are struggling in those situations and creditors are giving us hard time.

That illusion is a big reality of todays world we must make ourself capable of earning money at the scales in which we are not struggling.

Whats the soulution of that ILLUSION?
Can we afford to come out from that illusion? (When we already experienced the conditions of those who lack in money.)

When a human start his life at school he/she trained to become someone who can earn lot some of money.so that he/she recognise as a successful one. Importance of earning money is injected in human brain how heart pumps blood to body.

Although i agree when one thinks and rethink about the money its absolutely a big illusion.
I see some people spend whole life chasing the TARGETS related with money and when they finished chasing the targets they realised they lost the life or wasted the life chasing those targets.

Some people are successful and some get unsuccessful in chasing targets but they never lived their lives end result is same whatever they chase they left behind and burried empty handed.

Some people worried more to protect that money what they chase along with those who are also worried to generate a bread or medicine for sick child..

Package of FEAR is applied on everybody i.e money chaser, money maker, money loser and money seeker.

Money is lifeless thing but appears it controls all the life. Lol

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2019, 11:33:44 AM »
Well, I suppose religious books and other than "me" are responsible for all the mess and wickedness that exists in this world!
Sorry I  need to correct the wrong statement above:

Me and me alone is responsible for the mess I put myself in and the wickedness that I practice often. Of course it is easy for me to blame religious books or make a fortune books or pornography books or ...Any type of book and other people dead or alive.

 My instinct /ego always tells me I am right, I am good, I am reasonable, I am clever,I am... Somebody else is screwing up this world never "me"
Me I can work it out and I am not slfish or greedy. I earn things through my cleverness and...

Guys I have to come clean and speak the truth. Everything bad that happened to me was my own fault. I try my best to be good or as good as can be, but my other instinct keeps pushing at me from all angles ,sometimes it even catches me unaware and I find myself pushed to wickedness and despair.
I am to blame for a lot of the mess and wickedness. Blame me if you want.
GOD bless you all.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2019, 04:58:01 PM »
My instinct /ego always tells me I am right, I am good, I am reasonable, I am clever,I am... Somebody else is screwing up this world never "me"
Me I can work it out and I am not slfish or greedy. I earn things through my cleverness and...

I'm / we are right and you / they're wrong..
I'm / we are superior and you / they're inferior.
My / our book are superior and your / their book are inferior.
My / our race are superior and your / their race are inferior.
My / our football team are superior and your / their football team are inferior.
My / our people are blessed and your / their people are cursed.
My / our religion is the truest religion and your / their religion is falsehood.
etc.. etc.. etc..

That's how ego tries to manifest itself.... striving for existence and superiority...

To control the ego, one need to understand what it is in the first place.

What Is The Ego?
https://youtu.be/M_C5Cua9VL8



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Guys I have to come clean and speak the truth. Everything bad that happened to me was my own fault. I try my best to be good or as good as can be, but my other instinct keeps pushing at me from all angles ,sometimes it even catches me unaware and I find myself pushed to wickedness and despair.
I am to blame for a lot of the mess and wickedness. Blame me if you want.
GOD bless you all.

No it's not your fault, and it's nobody's fault as well.
Something 'bad' need to happened in order for you to recognize it, there's a lesson to learn in every event.
Even if you can wind down the time, every event will play out as it is.

Thus no need to blame anyone or yourselves..
That's how ego play out, ego plays leveraging guilt.. once guilt triggered it will need to blame.

The choice is either blaming yourselves or blaming others.. both are not a good option.

On guilt and its relation to the ego
https://youtu.be/-7-xfpF1rxQ


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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2019, 07:17:12 AM »
Peace jafar.
 Of course you tube has its answers. I take what is best. from any source using GOD s message as criteria.
So thank you for the link. But I pass on "GOD needs to know itself as the purpose" through the creation!!!!.  I thought GOD knows everything?

There are confusing aspects to the video and some good aspects to it in my opinion.

Many are trying to explain our evolving through the ages,I would like someone to explain the message of Qoran in the 7th century. It must have been 1000 s of years ahead of its time? This book answers consciousness better than any I have seen.
Thank you anyway.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2019, 08:51:35 AM »
Peace jafar.
 Of course you tube has its answers. I take what is best. from any source using GOD s message as criteria.
So thank you for the link. But I pass on "GOD needs to know itself as the purpose" through the creation!!!!.  I thought GOD knows everything?

Since God created everything, does not that also implies all message is God's message?

And YouTube is merely a medium, among trillions of other medium.
You think something is not "God message" merely because of the medium?

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There are confusing aspects to the video and some good aspects to it in my opinion.

Of course, confused is a good sign, it means the thinking is in progress...

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Many are trying to explain our evolving through the ages,I would like someone to explain the message of Qoran in the 7th century. It must have been 1000 s of years ahead of its time? This book answers consciousness better than any I have seen.

Is it "This Book" or is it "God" that give out the answer?

And why not ask God for any inquiries that you might have?
You might be surprised on the varieties of channels for the answer that you shall receive..

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2019, 02:18:07 PM »
Peace jafar.
You say, quote:
Is it "This Book" or is it "God" that give out the answer?

I ll say It was Allah through a book. While I agree there are also other mediums, those who contradict the message are passing on false.
messages.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2019, 03:27:33 PM »
@Jafar

'Since God created everything, does not that also implies all message is God's message?'

No because many messages out there would contradict each other:

Christians: Worship Jesus
Muslims: Worship God
Many Christians: God will forgive you anyway so it's okay to sin from time to time
Buddhists: karma will get you for everything- good or bad so be careful
Atheists: There's no God, you only live once.

Too many opposing views for it all to be from God. If it's all from God then it would be contradictory and nonsensical.


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