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Sarah

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For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...

Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

'So when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We opened to them the doors of every [good] thing until, when they rejoiced in that which they were given, We seized them suddenly, and they were [then] in despair.' 6:44

Although believers can still be blessed in this life, they can't be as blessed as a disbeliever in the external (not internal/ spiritual) aspects of their life? Am I correct to assume this or is it more of a traditional line of thought to go by?

Because on the other hand, believers can also be blessed in this life plus some people who are disbelievers also do not seem to have many blessings:

'Those who believed and were fearing Allah' 10:63

'For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah . That is what is the great attainment.' 10:64

Although apparently Queen Rania of Jordan follows the Qur'an alone but who knows how dedicated she really is I guess...
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2019, 03:28:09 AM »
Peace

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...

Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

Although apparently Queen Rania of Jordan follows the Qur'an alone but who knows how dedicated she really is I guess...


Peace Sarah

I think that would be a wrong assumption. Also we should not generalize  disbelievers.For example you mentioned celebrities. You never know for sure who is believer or not. We are all in different situations. Great wealth/power/prosperity/good look comes with great responsibility.


King Solomon was blessed and tested with wealth. So true believers can be blessed with wealth.

38:31 When, during dusk, well trained horses were displayed before him.
38:32 He said, "I enjoyed the good of materials more than I enjoyed remembering my Lord, until it became totally dark!"*
38:33 "Send them back." He then rubbed their legs and necks.
38:34 We tested Solomon and placed a corpse on his throne, but he then repented.
38:35 He said, "My Lord, forgive me, and grant me a kingship that will never be attained by anyone after me. You are the Grantor."

Wealth is a test as well as poverty.

20:131 Do not strain your eyes on what We have given other people as luxuries of this worldly life. We are testing them with it; and the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting.

3:186 We will test you with your wealth and with yourselves, and you will hear from those who have been given the book before you and from those who set up partners much annoyance. If you strive and be aware, then these are affairs of great resolve.

89:15 As for man, if his Lord tests him and grants him much, then he says: "My Lord has blessed me!"
89:16 And if his Lord tests him and gives him little wealth, then he says: "My Lord has humiliated me!"

We are tested with good and bad things.


7:168 We divided them through the land as nations. From them are the reformed, and from them are other than that. We tested them with good things and bad, perhaps they will return.
21:35 Every person will taste death. We burden you with evil and good as a test, and it is to Us that you will return.


Those who prove their conviction and dedication to God alone by successfully passing through a series of tests attain happiness both in this world and in the hereafter.

10:64 For them are glad tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. There is no changing the words of God. Such is the supreme success.
16:30 It was said to those who were righteous: "What has your Lord sent down?" They said, "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good, and the Hereafter is even better. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous.


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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 04:40:51 AM »
Peace Sarah.
GOD assigns the provision  according to His  knowledge of our inner thoughts and according to how we are tested.:
43:32
Are they the ones who assign your Lord's mercy? We have assigned their shares in this life, raising some of them above others in ranks, in order to let them serve one another. The mercy from your Lord is far better than any material they may hoard.
أَهُم يَقسِمونَ رَحمَتَ رَبِّكَ نَحنُ قَسَمنا بَينَهُم مَعيشَتَهُم فِى الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَرَفَعنا بَعضَهُم فَوقَ بَعضٍ دَرَجٰتٍ لِيَتَّخِذَ بَعضُهُم بَعضًا سُخرِيًّا وَرَحمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيرٌ مِمّا يَجمَعونَ

Also GOD explains why the majority of people that are not rich and famous are blessed (in disguise):
43:33
If it were not that all the people might become one (disbelieving) congregation, we would have granted everyone who disbelieves in the Most Gracious mansions with silver roofs, and stairs upon which they could climb.
وَلَولا أَن يَكونَ النّاسُ أُمَّةً وٰحِدَةً لَجَعَلنا لِمَن يَكفُرُ بِالرَّحمٰنِ لِبُيوتِهِم سُقُفًا مِن فِضَّةٍ وَمَعارِجَ عَلَيها يَظهَرونَ
43:34
Their mansions would have impressive gates, and luxurious furnishings.
وَلِبُيوتِهِم أَبوٰبًا وَسُرُرًا عَلَيها يَتَّكِـٔونَ
43:35
Also many ornaments. All these are the temporary materials of this lowly life. The Hereafter - at your Lord - is far better for the righteous.
وَزُخرُفًا وَإِن كُلُّ ذٰلِكَ لَمّا مَتٰعُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَالـٔاخِرَةُ عِندَ رَبِّكَ لِلمُتَّقينَ

The main thing for those who believe rich or poor is to follow GOD s message and the straight path.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2019, 05:39:53 AM »
Peace Sarah.
I also meant to add that it does not depend on whether we are rich or poor . It depends on our priority:

17:18
Anyone who chooses this fleeting life as his priority, we will rush to him what we decide to give him, then we commit him to Gehenna, where he suffers forever, despised and defeated.
مَن كانَ يُريدُ العاجِلَةَ عَجَّلنا لَهُ فيها ما نَشاءُ لِمَن نُريدُ ثُمَّ جَعَلنا لَهُ جَهَنَّمَ يَصلىٰها مَذمومًا مَدحورًا

The Hereafter is the right priority to concentrate on:

17:19
As for those who choose the Hereafter as their priority, and work righteousness, while believing, their efforts will be appreciated.
وَمَن أَرادَ الـٔاخِرَةَ وَسَعىٰ لَها سَعيَها وَهُوَ مُؤمِنٌ فَأُولٰئِكَ كانَ سَعيُهُم مَشكورًا
17:20
For each one of them we provide; we provide for those and these from your Lord's bounties. Your Lord's bounties are inexhaustible.
كُلًّا نُمِدُّ هٰؤُلاءِ وَهٰؤُلاءِ مِن عَطاءِ رَبِّكَ وَما كانَ عَطاءُ رَبِّكَ مَحظورًا
17:21
Note how some are preferred  above others (in this life). The differences in the Hereafter are far greater and far more significant.
انظُر كَيفَ فَضَّلنا بَعضَهُم عَلىٰ بَعضٍ وَلَلـٔاخِرَةُ أَكبَرُ دَرَجٰتٍ وَأَكبَرُ تَفضيلًا

Satisfaction seems key . May the Lord make us satisfied with what we have especially if it is very little.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2019, 08:43:32 AM »
A lot of rich people only got rich because they stole or hoarded wealth and/or they extort money from people. Or they abuse the natural resources or animals. 

The shallow enjoyment but eventual misery that comes from these and then the eternal punishment...are you really envious of it. Rich people often live in fear that they are going to have their weath taken from them as well which can't be a good way to live.
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2019, 09:31:10 AM »
Peace

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...


Yes sarah, from your perspective they "seem" to
have it all.

Peace Sarah

I think that would be a wrong assumption. Also we should not generalize disbelievers. For example you mentioned celebrities. You never know for sure who is believer or not.

agreed

A lot of rich people only got rich because they stole or hoarded wealth and/or they extort money from people. Or they abuse the natural resources or animals. 


Or traded their dignity for wealth!

Peace Sarah.
I also meant to add that it does not depend on whether we are rich or poor . It depends on our priority:


I agree


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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2019, 01:34:53 PM »
9:85 And let not their wealth and their children impress you. God only intends to punish them through them in this world and that their souls should depart [at death] while they are disbelievers.

They are distracted by worldly things and do not spend in God's cause. Having wealth is also a test to show if you're humble or arrogant bcs a lot of people think they're the ones that got rich on their own cause they worked hard. God is the One who restricts and gives provisions to whom He wills without account.

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2019, 09:38:07 PM »
Peace Sara....

2:269 “He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given MUCH GOOD. And none will remember except those of understanding.”

Try to gain knowledge and pray for bestowing knowledge and wisdom from God… by having it you will have ALL THE GOOD in this world… That would satisfy you immensely…. Mere material riches won’t help anyone the long course of the life… When God said MUCH GOOD… it means beyond material riches… If one is bestowed with wisdom, how can he be given MUCH GOOD, if he remains so poor in life…. MUCH GOOD includes material riches as well..

7:188  “Say: 'I have no power to profit for myself; or hurt, but as God will. Had I knowledge of the Unseen I would have ACQUIRED MUCH GOOD, and EVIL WOULD NOT HAVE TOUCHED ME. I am only a warner, and a bearer of good tidings, to a people believing.”

What you get by these verses dear Sara…. If you wish, then wish for knowledge and wisdom… that would keep you away from all evil thoughts, then peace creeps into life and with knowledge we won’t fail to gain materials of this world which is mandatory to survival… But if we had all the materials of this world we won’t be happy unless our innate self be satisfied with it…Abundance of riches God created… we have to approach with wisdom…be thankful in time of good and bad..God tests every human being… test could be on any path…So no one is left out mentally and physically from God’s test (Be he rich or poor)…Only the believer will succeed.. and not merely the one who has riches…we will fail if we perceive that riches of this world could give us better life…Yes it would have been if it is eternal…
Btw cannot agree that only disbelievers have more material riches..
I don’t see within Quran any of the prophet being poor throughout his lifetime ….God changed their life to better… Patience is key....

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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2019, 08:59:52 PM »
Peace!

Thanks for all the answers people, they were good and made me think  :D
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Re: Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2019, 02:58:59 AM »
A lot of people assume the following

- being rich in terms of money and possession is a positive thing
- being poor in terms of money and possession is a negative thing

And they are made to think like this, it's an illusion because people love money and possession. Therefore the value comes from our love of it.