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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2019, 09:38:12 AM »
Salam Novice,

Energy has a limit/form (when a lighting bolt strikes, it has a shape/form that can dissipate).

If we think of Jinn as energy being, and we consider that copper is a conductor for electricity - then it makes sense that they be struck with a material which can disrupt their path/flow.

Why else would the Quran speak specifically of copper and fiery projectors striking down those that try to take flight.
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2019, 03:58:37 PM »
 I would like to share my remarks in the light of the Qur'an about how the universes were created together (in Turkish):

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

And this link is explained in the verses I mentioned in my study; The fact that stars are shooting light / flames may now be discovered / displayed:

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/ph2/

The miracles / evidences of the Qur'an are emerging and appear with ever increasing impression.



http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2017/02/mucizelerin-devami.html




Al Jinn

8. And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

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lower heaven = our universe

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2019, 06:06:16 PM »
Salam Novice,

Energy has a limit/form (when a lighting bolt strikes, it has a shape/form that can dissipate).

If we think of Jinn as energy being, and we consider that copper is a conductor for electricity - then it makes sense that they be struck with a material which can disrupt their path/flow.

Why else would the Quran speak specifically of copper and fiery projectors striking down those that try to take flight.

Salaam Layth

Thank you for your reply. I assume you are referring to 55:33-35 as the word copper نُحَاسٌ۬ is used only once in the Quran:

يَـٰمَعۡشَرَ ٱلۡجِنِّ وَٱلۡإِنسِ إِنِ ٱسۡتَطَعۡتُمۡ أَن تَنفُذُواْ مِنۡ أَقۡطَارِ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ فَٱنفُذُواْ‌ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلۡطَـٰنٍ۬ (٣٣) فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ (٣٤) يُرۡسَلُ عَلَيۡكُمَا شُوَاظٌ۬ مِّن نَّارٍ۬ وَنُحَاسٌ۬ فَلَا تَنتَصِرَانِ

We see here address is to both Ins and Jinn. So what is the rational of striking Ins (human) with copper in your understanding?


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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2019, 02:09:10 AM »
Salaam Layth

Thank you for your reply. I assume you are referring to 55:33-35 as the word copper نُحَاسٌ۬ is used only once in the Quran:

يَـٰمَعۡشَرَ ٱلۡجِنِّ وَٱلۡإِنسِ إِنِ ٱسۡتَطَعۡتُمۡ أَن تَنفُذُواْ مِنۡ أَقۡطَارِ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ فَٱنفُذُواْ‌ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلۡطَـٰنٍ۬ (٣٣) فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ (٣٤) يُرۡسَلُ عَلَيۡكُمَا شُوَاظٌ۬ مِّن نَّارٍ۬ وَنُحَاسٌ۬ فَلَا تَنتَصِرَانِ

We see here address is to both Ins and Jinn. So what is the rational of striking Ins (human) with copper in your understanding?

There is no mention of striking.


يُرْسَلُ عَلَيْكُـمَا شُوَاظٚ مِّن نَّارٛ وَنُحَاسٚ

Heat emanating from ignited fire and evaporated smoke of the molten brass will be sent upon you both species—

فَلَا تَنتَصِرَانِ .55:35٣٥

Thereat, you both will not be able to protect yourselves. [55:35]

فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ.55:36٣٦

Therefore, which of the arrangement/mode/preparedness for punishing the criminals by your Sustainer Lord, you both will contradict? [55:36]

نُحَاسٚ is the Proxy subject of Passive verb يُرْسَلُ .

Root: ن ح س

فَأَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْـهِـمْ رِيحٙا صَرْصَرٙا فِـىٓ أَيَّامٛ نَّحِسَاتٛ

Thereby, on their asking, Our Majesty sent upon them creaking furious Wind in troubling hot days [that blew for seven nights and eight days] —

لِّنُذِيقَهُـمْ عَذَابَ ٱلْخِزْىِ فِـى ٱلْحَـيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَاۖ

The object was that Our Majesty cause them taste corporal infliction with feel of belittlement and remorse in the worldly life [not early death by wind chill effect].

وَلَعَذَابُ ٱلۡءَاخِـرَةِ أَخْزَىٰۖ

And it is a certain fact that the Corporal punishment in the Hereafter is much more of belittlement and remorse.

وَهُـمْ لَا يُنصَرُونَ .41:16١٦

And they all will not be helped by anyone who could help. [41:16]


إِنَّـآ أَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْـهِـمْ رِيحٙا صَرْصَرٙا فِـى يَوْمِ نَحْسٛ مُّسْتَمِرّٛ .54:19١٩

It is a fact that Our Majesty sent upon them (People of Aad) furiously creaking wind in a troubling hot day, self stretching persistently — [54:19]

تَنزِعُ ٱلنَّاسَ كَأَنَّـهُـمْ أَعْجَازُ نَخْلٛ مُّنقَعِـرٛ .54:20٢٠

She was plucking and displacing people as if they (People of Aad) were stems of palm-trees plucked and displaced from root depth. [54:20]

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2019, 02:55:16 AM »
37:8 They cannot listen to the command up high; and they are bombarded from every side.

37:10 Any of them who snatches a part, he is pursued by a piercing flame.


QUESTIONS

1 from WHO they are trying to listen or trying to snatch ?
2 what they are trying to listen and snatch?
3 why dnt a powerful creator can create anti-virus or defence system or make a system through which they cant able to hear or snatch something ?

4 what is the purpose of telling human being what he cannot possibly verify or understand, it seems human authors are still struggling making a interpretation ?

5 science is telling a different story about comets and meteors ?

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2019, 05:31:29 AM »
Imran brother, relax ,it is not worth getting worked up about the interpretations of humans.
Most of your questions are arising from the faulty interpretations.

The context of what Qoran is saying is this:
Of humans and Jinns, you are confined to this universe . You cannot penetrate  to the second universe even if you acquire the technology to travel in your universe. And even in your universe there are exploding stars bigger than 1000 s of atomic bombs and places you can never reach like hot stars and blackholes...etc..

GOD is saying there are 7 universes one above the other. Our universe is the most inner and smaller of these.
How vast do we see ours in comparison?
We need to take stock of our insignificance and glorify the creator? Whoever chooses and wants to that is!
GOD bless you.
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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2019, 06:13:41 PM »

Most of your questions are arising from the faulty interpretations.



thats the interpretation of (monotheist group/free-minds) what i used if you think this interpretation is faulty u can share " yours " about the verses  then we see the questions i asked change their shape or not  :handshake:

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2019, 07:57:51 PM »
Salam
The rebellious technologically advanced people when they will try to pry into space, they will have a piercing flame of fire following them (the rocket with jet fuel burning and trailing blazing flame of fire) and will be facing bombardment of radioactive particles and other dangers of space travel. A very few of these people will be able to venture into space after taking protections from the risks of space travel. The below link explores Ayahs related to this topic.

https://topicsfromquran.com/2018/06/23/shooting-stars-or-bright-flames-of-fire/


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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2019, 10:37:48 PM »
Salam Novice,

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We see here address is to both Ins and Jinn. So what is the rational of striking Ins (human) with copper in your understanding?

You are correct, the verse does speak to both Jinn and Humans. I can't conclude why they are both lumped together and whether the copper is meant for one and the fire for the other...The only observation to be made is that "copper" is a great conductor of energy and this is the only time we see it mentioned (all other verses deal with metal in a general form). 
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2019, 11:15:00 PM »
Most of your questions are arising from the faulty interpretations.

Have you ever consider an option where maybe it's the writings itself that are faulty?

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The context of what Qoran is saying is this:
Of humans and Jinns, you are confined to this universe . You cannot penetrate  to the second universe even if you acquire the technology to travel in your universe. And even in your universe there are exploding stars bigger than 1000 s of atomic bombs and places you can never reach like hot stars and blackholes...etc..
 

Clearly the above is not the content of the writings, but an interpretation of 21st century human who has exposed to the conception of "universe", "death and lifecycle of stars" and "blackholes" and starting to probe on the possibility on the existence of 'other universes'.

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GOD is saying there are 7 universes one above the other. Our universe is the most inner and smaller of these.
You are assuming that God said there are 7 universes..
Reality might paint different story

First the believe on the existence of 7 layer of heavens (not universes) were the common belief of human from 3000 BCE up to 20th century, originated in middle east and then spread worldwide through migration.

21st century human think that there is a possibility on the existence of other universes and if other universes exist it might not be confined to the quantity of 7, it actually be other unlimited universes. Each with it's own context of time and space and the rules might be slightly different compared to other universes.

The comparison of 'small' or 'inner' might not be relevant when comparing those universes, as each of those universes has their own context of time and space.

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How vast do we see ours in comparison?
We need to take stock of our insignificance and glorify the creator? Whoever chooses and wants to that is!
GOD bless you.

We cannot compare our universe with other universes yet..
What we can compare is our earth to this universe and yes it's insignificant.

There are Zillions of other planets and potentially there are billions of other earth like planets in this universe, a planet which could host a carbon based life form just like us. Thus there might be billions of carbon based lifeform similar yet different than us in this universe.

And glorifying the creator of this universe doesn't mean glorifying, idolizing and putting a blind faith in a book that was written by human many centuries ago.

We do know now that if the "Designer" / "Creator" exist, it must have existed in all time and space of this universe and also in all time and space of zillions of other universes and beyond. We do know now that it doesn't make sense that the Creator could faced a 'rebellion' or be 'pissed off'/'angry' or 'declaring war' or have any 'enemy'. The confinement of time and space of this universe will not be applicable to the 'Designer' or 'Creator'.