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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 02:45:15 PM »
Why not you rebut the evidence that proves him Narcissistic Personality Disorder after reading what exactly is it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 02:52:31 PM »
Why not you rebut the evidence quated that the person mentioned by title Fir'aoun was a real king of Egypt who is portrayed in hieroglyphics exactly as depicted in Qur'aan?

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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 03:30:36 PM »
The major chunk of the text of Qur'aan are Narratives. And narratives are mentioned to take lessons from the past. Narrative writing is distinct from other types of texts. When reading, narratives you need to be aware how they are written which will help you comprehending them.

Exactly. Who would argue with that? Now add [archetype] because that's what the narratives and allegories are filled with and it becomes eternal, and not of a particular time period. When you juggle with verses in order to find a particular scientific and/or historical context, which it lacks, because the book is highly symbolical and mystical, you pretty much abrogate the point of archetypal narratives.
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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 03:37:13 PM »
The unique point of his reign is mentioned. For people who use intellect, it suffices to identify him in history.

Seriously? Is this what you call intellect and reasoning? Because all famous rulers in history of Egypt, Rome, Mesopotamia were ALL famous for building better palaces and or "wonders" than any counterparts, ancestors or competitors. Simply saying someone was a "a very prolific builder" just because of a single verse is a non-sense, lack of insight and ignoring reasoning, whereas EVERY rulers from Summerian Kings to Genghis Khan were interested in building the best palace or a wonder so as to leave a historic and architectural heritage named after them.

And then he says:

The major chunk of the text of Qur'aan are Narratives. And narratives are mentioned to take lessons from the past. Narrative writing is distinct from other types of texts. When reading, narratives you need to be aware how they are written which will help you comprehending them.

Compare your reasoning in the past two posts:

1. "a very prolific builder" beacuse of a single verse [which by the way looks quite allegorical and is not related to a physical tower, anyone with a relative insight may notice such allegory];

2. Quran is built out of narratives.

Narratives are meant to be taken as a whole and not your quranist way of juddling verses and summarizing them in a common text.

I am not your enemy, I only want to make you look more deeply into this and perhaps then you can find a better Quran.
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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2018, 03:39:08 PM »
Why not you rebut the evidence that proves him Narcissistic Personality Disorder after reading what exactly is it.

And why don't you use a bigger picture which the Quran calls you to do? There is no him in singular as it talks about the archetype and not a specific persona in history. Anyone who believes his self-rightous values and hierarchy and power allow him to control other does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including the Mahomet, who you probably being a lesser being would praise happen you live near him. Or would you?
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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 03:42:17 PM »
Why not you rebut the evidence quated that the person mentioned by title Fir'aoun was a real king of Egypt who is portrayed in hieroglyphics exactly as depicted in Qur'aan?

Rebut what? The fact that someone called himself Firun like Russian kings called themselves as Tza'rz? Or English feudals called themselves Kings? Or feudal lords called themselves lords of the manor? What is there to rebut? You haven't constructed a consistent thesis, in fact you have castrated the global message of the book.
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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2018, 05:52:10 PM »
Exactly. Who would argue with that? Now add [archetype] because that's what the narratives and allegories are filled with and it becomes eternal, and not of a particular time period. When you juggle with verses in order to find a particular scientific and/or historical context, which it lacks, because the book is highly symbolical and mystical, you pretty much abrogate the point of archetypal narratives.

A man with a little common sense and IQ would realize that Qur'aan is a non-fiction book. Nothing symbolical and mystical.

Qur’ān is an explicit elucidation for the peoples at large. [Refer 3:138]

This (Grand Qur’ān) is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind. The purpose is that they might get warned-admonished-awakened by it. [Ref 14:52]

Qualitatively, it (Qur’ān) is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener. [perpetually present in time and space].


Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen it (Qur’ān) have purposely abstained adhering it. Thereby, they people persistently listen not. [41:04]

Don't be one of those.

It is a fact: it (Qur’ān) is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger  [69:40]
 
Mind it: it (Qur’ān) is not relayed by a poet.

Yet little is that you people accept- acknowledge. [69:41]

Another type of texts, difficult to interpret at the time of narration and writing, are statements of soothsayers - prognosticators. Qur’ān is easy to interpret because it is not a discourse narrated by a soothsayer - prognosticator:

And neither it (Qur’ān) is an Oral and written expression of a soothsayer - prognosticator.

Yet little is that you people try self retaining and comprehending it. [69:42]

Indeed it (Grand Qur’ān) is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear. [86:13]

And it does not comprise of the comic text. [86:14]

Grand Qur’ān illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as if they were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually.

But certain people for reason are debarred even understanding the surface meanings of the text.

In Arabic, the word for Narrative- a Real-Life Event is:
It stems from Root: ق ص ص . The basic perception infolded, in the words of Ibne Faris [died 1005] is that of following and tracking something, literally step by step. Lane's Lexicon portrayed this perception in these words; "to follow after one's track or footprints in pursuit; endeavour to trace or track someone".

A compilation of the sequence of happenings in the past is episode: a part of history but distinct and of specific significance from the greater whole. Each part/segment of this compilation is unitary news, an activity; each segment is distinct static image like a mark/footprint. Each movement has, and leaves behind consecutive, one after the other images-traces. The movement/activity may apparently vanish but if we had seen or recorded the activity which is nothing but saving in memory or tape-disk the images, we can see that movement again either by recalling from memory or rewinding the tape and playing it back. Therefore:  denotes narrating the episode in the exact manner of its actual happening, displaying the pictures of it clip by clip, image by image: the footage in present day parlance so that the activity and actual happening could be visualized by the listener and reader.

The main structural components of a narrative are the orientation, the complication and the resolution, and may include a concluding statement or comment in order to sum up the message.

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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 05:59:59 PM »
And why don't you use a bigger picture which the Quran calls you to do? There is no him in singular as it talks about the archetype and not a specific persona in history. Anyone who believes his self-rightous values and hierarchy and power allow him to control other does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including the Mahomet, who you probably being a lesser being would praise happen you live near him. Or would you?

Narcissists Personality Disorder does not mean and refer every ruler. Just first study it in some psychology book.


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Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2018, 12:26:00 AM »


We will study the events of his reign to estimate the period of his kingship in Egypt. This will give us  precise cues to near-accurately estimate the duration of his reign. It will lead us identifying and specifying him in the history which is available as Primary source in hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt.

And which period do you think that this "Pharaoh Of Moses Time" lived?

We can then compare it to actual archeological findings...

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The distinct characteristic - personality disorder of Fir'aoun and his trusted Chieftains portrayed in Qur’ān is self-exaltation - self-aggrandizement - Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They had all the properties of self-aggrandizers like use of technique of "divide and conquer"; aggressive ruthless behaviour; taking advantage of the people around him; arrogant, haughty behaviours; engaging in false accusations, distortion campaigns; character assassination attempts; malicious gossip; amplifying their own image, and outburst of rage; but despite his facade he himself suffered from low - diminishing esteem.

Narcissist and Psychopathic...

Many rulers both in the past and current time are indeed Narcissistic and Psychopathic..

Infact a research shows that the highest appearance, in terms of percentage, where you can find Narcissist or Psychopathic people are among leaders in Enterprises, Government and Religious Institution.

Their appetite for self-grandiose draws them to such position.
And their psychopathy enables them to have no compassion and no remorse to achieve such position.
They can easily sacrifice their own friends, family or even their own mom in order to achieve their goal.
Performing murder, assassination, torture, persecution, lies, false accusation is easy for them, as they have no sense of guilt or conscience.

Ramesses II, (12th century BC) the egyptian king, the chosen by Ra, was a good example of egyptian ruler with narcisstic and psychophatic syndrom. He has no remorse whatsoever on murdering, torturing and enslaving people which land he invaded (the canaanites). He built gigantic useless monuments to satisfy his self-grandiose and he has no shame on publishing lies (propaganda).
He claimed glorious victory over the war with The Hittites, and wrote that in a tablet for consumption by his people while in reality his army was beaten in the battlefield which forced him to sign a peace treaty.

In similar manner as Mr Trump claimed victory over negotiation with North Korea.
And Mr. Kim claimed he has humiliated America and forced Trump to sign a treaty, (can only be found on news aired by North Korean TV and Radio station)

Ramesses II was loved by the Egyptians, he set the standards of "What a good Pharaoh" should be.
Conquering land, providing slaves for the egyptian citizens and building gigantic monuments.