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NewFrenzy

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2018, 12:35:31 PM »
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When you read "قل ھو اللہ احد". What do you understand?
"Say: He, Allah is One"
or "He, Allah is anyone"
or "He, Allah is unity"
PRLONLINE: Alif-Ha-Dal = make/call it one, unity, anyone/anything.
How do you know that?

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I understand it is telling us to say to the people Allah in one
 I don't understand why in quran "say " or "qul" is included.

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2018, 12:59:22 PM »
Salam, NewFrenzy!
This is not a simple question.
This is a very simple question for people who have studied the Quran. The answer is a BIG SIMPLE "NO". He did not act with 100% accuracy. Because 'the Prophet' did mistakes and Allah warned and threatened him occasionally in the Quran. However, the Prophet didn't get astray after revelation of the Quran because he was guided by Allah as well (see surah 93 for example).

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2018, 01:11:42 PM »
Salam, NewFrenzy!This is a very simple question for people who have studied the Quran. The answer is a BIG SIMPLE "NO". He did not act with 100% accuracy. Because 'the Prophet' did mistakes and Allah warned and threatened him occasionally in the Quran. However, the Prophet didn't get astray after revelation of the Quran because he was guided by Allah as well (see surah 93 for example).

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That's does not mean he did not understood it. But as you said.

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2018, 01:28:39 PM »
Salam!
I understand it is telling us to say to the people Allah in one
 I don't understand why in quran "say " or "qul" is included.
It is a command and it is usually directed to 'the Prophet' only. He was commanded to convey the words of Allah to the people around him and I believe that he did so for sure. Allah's words said by the Prophet are the 'ahsan ahadith' in a true sense and have authentication of Allah. For example: إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّـهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ (Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance.) is the true and authentic Hadith (see Quran 2:120)

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 01:33:02 PM »
That's does not mean he did not understood it. But as you said.

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'Understanding' something and 'acting accordingly to this understanding' are two different things/deeds.

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2018, 01:42:09 PM »
Salam!It is a command and it is usually directed to 'the Prophet' only. He was commanded to convey the words of Allah to the people around him and I believe that he did so for sure. Allah's words said by the Prophet are the 'ahsan ahadith' in a true sense and have authentication of Allah. For example: إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّـهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ (Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance.) is the true and authentic Hadith (see Quran 2:120)

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So the verses without qul is not words of allah.

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 01:53:35 PM »
So the verses without qul is not words of allah.
who said that? See every word in the Quran is sent down by Allah. However, there are words which Allah tells that these words were spoken or said by the others. For example: 15:32-34 are 03 ayats and have a dialogue between Allah and Iblis:
قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا لَكَ أَلَّا تَكُونَ مَعَ السَّاجِدِينَ ﴿٣٢﴾ قَالَ لَمْ أَكُن لِّأَسْجُدَ لِبَشَرٍ خَلَقْتَهُ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ ﴿٣٣﴾ قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ ﴿٣٤﴾
There is a word "قال" for 3 times. In Ayah 32 it tells that Allah asked a question to Iblis. while Ayah 33 tells what Iblis replied. Ayat 34 again tells what Allah said to Iblis.
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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 02:07:11 PM »
who said that? See every word in the Quran is sent down by Allah. However, there are words which Allah tells that these words were spoken or said by the others. For example: 15:32-34 are 03 ayats and have a dialogue between Allah and Iblis:
قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا لَكَ أَلَّا تَكُونَ مَعَ السَّاجِدِينَ ﴿٣٢﴾ قَالَ لَمْ أَكُن لِّأَسْجُدَ لِبَشَرٍ خَلَقْتَهُ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ ﴿٣٣﴾ قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ ﴿٣٤﴾
There is a word "قال" for 3 times. In Ayah 32 it tells that Allah asked a question to Iblis. while Ayah 33 tells what Iblis replied. Ayat 34 again tells what Allah said to Iblis.
Hope you understood.

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That's qaala not qul. PM NVM

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 02:17:18 PM »
See this for example:
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَىٰ كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّـهَ وَلَا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّـهِ ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ ﴿٦٤﴾
Say: O followers of the Book! come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.

You can easily see what 'the prophet' ) is commanded to say to 'the People of the Book'. Surely, it is not Allah who is talking to the people of the book.

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Re: Ending over reliance upon hadith
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 02:23:22 PM »
See this for example:
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَىٰ كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّـهَ وَلَا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّـهِ ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ ﴿٦٤﴾
Say: O followers of the Book! come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.

You can easily see what 'the prophet' ) is commanded to say to 'the People of the Book'. Surely, it is not Allah who is talking to the people of the book.

Peace!
End this here.
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