Salaam,
Peace, need to use consistent method 74 - 54 = 20?
Peace Noon waalqalami,
I dont think that your objection is relevant, as the point is about the word
saqar سقر mentioned in chapter 54 and chapter 74 and the number of letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر .
- So either we count from chapter 54 to chapter 74
number of chapters = 21 chapters -->
not multiple of 19
number of letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر 502 + 564 +1192 = 2258 -->
not multiple of 19
- or between chapter 54 and chapter 74
number of chapters =
19 chapters
number of letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر 448 + 491 + 1018 =
1957- When you say 74 - 54 = 20? then you exclude the letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر from chapter 54 or chapter 74 (which doesn't seem logic)
Regardless, within probability i.e. to get ~100 multiples simply do 1900 permutations.
No permutation in my opinion, concerning the 4 verses containing the word
saqar سقر 19 words
19 letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر 19 different letters
19 chapters between chapter 54 and chapter 74
1957 letters
Seen س . Qaf ق . Ra ر between chapter 54 and chapter 74
failures:
sum of verse numbers containing saqar
sum of chapter 54 and chapter 74
total verses between chapter 54 and chapter 74
sum of total verses in chapter 54 and chapter 74
sum of the total letters of the verses containing the word saqar
etc...
One could argue about the
failures, each will have his own demands of what should be multiple of 19 or how the patterns should look like, I think that it serves other purposes in the numerical structure of the Quran and could be about priority of pattern.
About permutation, partially agree that what some present as numerical structure is due to a large amount of data and not related to a numerical structure.
Peace Noon waalqalami,
Of course obvious that when there is a large amount of data, some of it could be a multiple of whatever number, no issue about that, but that does not exclude a structure / pattern, if this was the author' s intention.
It is also logical to differentiate between that what is due to coincidence ( 1/whatever number ) and that what is intended by the Author.
Not sure about a methode to find an intended pattern wthout failures.
Logique that failures are due to the fact that the patterns / structures are no known in advance.
I do not see the relevance about the failures, as they do not disprove a possible numerical structure
Failures do not change the facts, if there are.
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The issue / question is about intended or not.
example:
- Are the 114 capters of the Quran intended or it just happen to be 114 ?
- Was the basmalah chosen to have 19 letters or it just happen to be 19 ?
- Why is there no Basmalah in chapter 9 and an extra Basmalah in chapter 27, and why this 19 chapter distance?
- Are the positions of the chapters (with initial letters) assinged or could they be in any other position?
- What is 74: 30-31 about ?
- etc ....
والله اعلم
Allah knows best.
Ltr gv include/exclude 112 bsm ch titles totals in Qur’an
س 60 6123 | 6011
ق 100 7034 | 7034
ر 200 12627 | 12403
E.g. total س seen in Qur’an = 6123 in 3535 verses (modern count), 6063 words; not included:
7:69 وزادكم and enhance you (pl.) في in الخلق the creation بصطه bastatan/extensively (with saad)
Likewise be cautious of current scripts thousand alifs were added ~200 years after revelation.
Not relevant imo as the topic is not about the total letter
Seen س nor the word
bastaten / بصطه nor the number of alif's in the Quran.
I believe that the manuscript that has reached us and contains a numerical structure must be intended by God and can not be the result of a coincidence.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/72/28/So as to make manifest that they have conveyed the messages of their Lord. He encompasses what they have, and has counted everything in numbers.https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/59/For, with Him are the keys to the things that are beyond the reach of a created being's perception: none knows them but He. And He knows all that is on land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls but He knows it; and neither is there a grain in the earth's deep darkness, nor anything: living or dead, but is recorded in [His] clear decree More answers to some objections :
Peace Noon waalqalami,
No offence intended, but it seems that you repeat the same objections, suggest to reread my response to your objections here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610157.0
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610099.0
About some of the spelling:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610294.0
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610132.70
والله اعلم
Allah knows best.
