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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2018, 01:58:14 PM »
peace, use magnifier
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=281

answer question use interlock/code or whatever to lock 20:1 طه ta ha?

it's ok to admit you don't know what you're talking about move on.


hahahahaha  :rotfl: exactly
SO which of the MIRACLES/MARVELS of your Lord you will deny
55:55.

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2018, 11:46:31 PM »
Peace Noon.
Why do you want my count? You need to check it. Here is how I counted so you can do the same:
https://submission.org/verify_how_to_count_Quranic_initials.html

Your question is not honest. You want to argue the case like you always do.
Besides you claim to know "19" better than anyone else. Are you stuck?
You do your count and I do mine.
I use hafs version and I am satisfied with my count.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2018, 01:51:05 AM »
Why do you want my count?

peace, didn't ask you to count letters or links to dumb websites.

it was asked show how it's locked to chapter verse 20:1 طه ta ha ?

is it combined single verse like in oldest manuscripts -- why not ?

20:1 طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى to thou discontent

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2018, 06:20:14 AM »


it was asked show how it's locked to chapter verse 20:1 طه ta ha ?

is it combined single verse like in oldest manuscripts -- why not ?



noon  :bravo: you smashed the idol name as code 19

theres a saying in my culture.

“becoming FOOL is more entertaining then making someone FOOL”
about this saying FOOL need time to understand the proverb first then the purpose of proverb although its a deep saying got meanings in it...
SO which of the MIRACLES/MARVELS of your Lord you will deny
55:55.

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2018, 06:27:25 AM »

I use hafs version and I am satisfied with my count.


peace GL

intresting to know HAFS version hmm ,,,
can i ask in your version there is any 128 and 129 verse in chapter 8/9?

provide evidence of oldest manuscript in which these two verses missing ?

if not then your and all code 19 claims are fake as it based on proven lie.
SO which of the MIRACLES/MARVELS of your Lord you will deny
55:55.

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2018, 07:28:53 AM »
Peace Noon.
The old manuscript has errors same as other manuscripts and you know that.
That old manuscript is not the original just like you are claiming other manuscripts with T H as a separate verse are not.

You provide evidence it is the original copy and you will have a point.
If on the other hand you are claiming T H are not initials then provide their meaning?

Are you sure you do not see the problem?
GOD bless you.
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2018, 07:34:53 AM »
Peace Imran.
Should it not be the other way around?
You provide ,with evidence, the original copy of the prophet with 128 and 129 in surah 9 in it and the matter will close.
Much simpler for you.
If on the other hand you say the high probability is that majority of  mushafs contain 128 and 129,then I say the mathematical structure has a 100% probability that they do not.
Yours against mine?
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2018, 10:16:09 AM »
The old manuscript has errors same as other manuscripts and you know that.

peace, here are three of the oldest manuscripts -- show errors?

20:1 طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى to thou discontent

University of Birmingham radiocarbon dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=281

Ma VI 165 University of Tübingen radiocarbon dated 649-675 CE (95.4%)
~1800 verses 17:35 - 36:57 (~28% of total text)  
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1/handschrift/107

Berlin State Library radiocarbon dated 662-765 CE (95.4%)
~85% of total text Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=163

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2018, 10:59:31 AM »
Peace Noon.
I could also ask you to show an error here:
طه
ما أَنزَلنا عَلَيكَ القُرءانَ لِتَشقىٰ
Many other Mushafs show a clear pause. There are two verses.
Old manuscript does not mean correct manuscript without errors. Unless of course one can bring evidence it is the original copy.
Or are you assuming old manuscripts have no errors?
This is one good reason why a mathematical structure will solve it 100%.
GOD bless you.
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 http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/good-logic/

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2018, 12:48:54 PM »
طه
ما أَنزَلنا عَلَيكَ القُرءانَ لِتَشقىٰ
Many other Mushafs show a clear pause. There are two verses.

Peace, show one earlier than 200+ years after revelation? (BTW, posting for benefit of others)

1.   Birmingham, Cadbury Research Library: dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=281
20:1-2 (single verse) طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize

2.   Tübingen, Universitätsbibliothek: Ma VI 165 dated 649-675 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1/handschrift/107
20:1-2 (single verse) طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize

3.   Berlin, Staatsbibliothek: Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305) 662-765 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1/handschrift/163
20:1-2 (single verse) طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=163
42:1-3 (single verse) حم ha meem عسق ayn seen qaf كذلك like such ىوحى inspired الىك to you والى and toward الذىن the ones من from قبلك before you الله the god العزىز the mighty الحكىم the wise

4.   Gotthelf-Bergsträßer-Archiv: "Saray Medina 1a" Istanbul, Topkapı Sarayı before 800 CE?
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=56
20:1-2 (single verse) طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=56
42:1-3 (single verse) حم ha meem عسق ayn seen qaf كذلك like such ىوحى inspired الىك to you والى and toward الذىن the ones من from قبلك before you الله the god العزىز the mighty الحكىم the wise

5.   Kodex Samarkand (Faksimiledruck Sankt Petersburg 1905) 700-850 CE
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/1?handschrift=141
20:1-2 (single verse) طه ta ha ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize

6.   Paris, Bibliothèque nationale de France: Arabe 328 (b) before 750 CE
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=157
42:1-3 (single verse) حم ha meem عسق ayn seen qaf كذلك like such ىوحى inspired الىك to you والى and toward الذىن the ones من from قبلك before you الله the god العزىز the mighty الحكىم the wise

7.   Paris, Bibliothèque nationale de France: Arabe 335 800 CE
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=37
42:1-3 (single verse) حم ha meem عسق ayn seen qaf كذلك like such ىوحى inspired الىك to you والى and toward الذىن the ones من from قبلك before you الله the god العزىز the mighty الحكىم the wise