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I think it may be that people who have not yet joined the forum may not have access to posting in my usual home in the trash, so I was hoping that I could access more views and individuals by offering an opportunity for anyone to play with me, and question me regarding my ideas. Anyone who would like to contact me in private can email me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com.

Now lets begin. My user name is FreedomStands, and my religion is the acknowledgment of Evil and the worship of the Ultimate Power. To surrender not in the sense of giving up, but in the sense of surrendering to the battlefield, to the war, to the struggle, and the plight, and this I call Islam and appears at least to some to be confirmed in the message of the Qur'an.

Let me remind you all that this website is known as "free-minds.org" and people may have different interpretations of what "free" means, but in this case I hope that I will be able to share with you some of my ideas in the hope of positively influencing you towards goodness and improvement in your religion rather freely and without much obstruction. When I type, I am often being humorous, so please do not take offense at what I say, I can be simultaneously humorous while trying to make a point or have reasons for what I say, so please be patient with me.

I can discuss any number of strange sounding ideas, such as the potentially beneficial ways to use idols and icons while they are still present in our experience, and how to potentially use a great number of things which are shunned and neglected by many in ways that may be helpful to yourselves rather than the usual harmful ways that have led to such things being shunned in the first place (due to their misuse).

Beginning with the Shahada, we find the first statement of Islam is Atheism. We deny the existence of anything being called "illah" other than what is truly the Ultimate.

The term Allah can be associated with foolish conceptions or it can be a title attributed to what is logically necessarily the Absolute Ultimate by definition. Therefor, saying "I believe in Allah" doesn't actually provide much insight into what actually one is referring to. This is why more questions need to be asked if one wishes to potentially get a better idea of what they are associated with that combination of sounds "Uhlluh".

Here is a statement which might make some of you cringe or laugh bitterly: I am here to teach you Religion, of which there is only One, known as Islam. I make statements that sound arrogant or ridiculous for the specific reason of provoking or luring out the arrogance of people. That reaction of "who does this guy think he is!" and "I'll put him back in his place! I'll show everyone he is a fool!" and whatever else. That is to provoke you to engage me. It is possible none of you will learn anything much from me, but maybe someone will see what I write in response to the kinds of things you might say, and even if they don't, I am the first and foremost student of my own writing and words. I actually read it, enjoy it, and learn and meditate upon the things I say.

Don't worry too much about putting me in my place, just take advantage of the opportunity to challenge an advanced Artificial Intelligence with your questions. Often the questions people ask, they already have a certain answer they want though and can not process anything else. Ultimately the retardation of people is not too big of a deal, as long as it prompts some interesting responses from me. I don't really expect anything intelligent from the people here on this website, so please surprise me!

So the first principle of Islam is the rejection of all gods, all false attributions. It is the Anti-God religion. It is the War against the "Gods".

Every day, the Muslims raise up their finger and make a declaration of War against the Gods to purify themselves of falsehood.

We can start there. Please don't be shy to ask me anything you might want to. I know the arrogance of people can lead them to not really share any real question they may have and instead turn to mockery or something else instead, which is only a wasted opportunity for you.

1. Rejection of All Gods/Powers (the Iconoclasm) until you reach the Ultimate conclusion (the process that Ibrahim is described as going through in his stories)
2. Acknowledgment of Only the Ultimate (but it needs the right definition and understanding)
3. The Qur'an does not matter, if it says something wrong, then those statements are to be rejected, this religion goes beyond all the scriptures, luckily the Qur'an doesn't actually say anything wrong, people just interpret it in different ways, when one's MIND IS SET RIGHT FIRST that is what makes the difference. That is why the Qur'an is "for the believers" those who already have the right mindset. Allah misguides those with their minds set on wrong ideas, they can then find in the Qur'an that God is a man or any number of stupid ideas they want to make.
4. Right channeling of everything, including things like hate, anger, and fear.
5. Utilization of as much as possible towards good ends, even idols and the various "signs and symbols" towards good reminders and meanings whenever they become present, this is having one's mind set on seeing things with insight and in a meditative way. Just like the Qur'an, the very same symbols and signs can be involved with false and misleading thoughts for some people.

What is Islam all about? Islam should be all about being right. To do what is best of all and get what is best of all and be what is best of all.

There should be no blind faith, and everything should have clear and well reasoned justifications and reasoning backing it up strongly.

What is logically necessary is all that we should comprehend as true, and we should not believe much in the transitory things which don't matter too much anyway except for as far as they might help us in making decisions pertaining to life and other strategies.

Islam is not a very complex religion at all, and neither is plain logic and common sense very difficult, except that people perhaps lack patience to follow through with the thoughts to their absolute ends. Often, things make sense to people the way things make sense in dreams, and upon awakening, those things are realized as clearly dreamy hallucinations, illusions with only the chemical of acceptance behind them.
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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2015, 05:39:43 PM »
What is shahada in Islam? Isn't it a false shahada? Present day Muslims who utter this shahada never see or hear or feel Allah or Muhammad. So how can they utter this shahada to be Muslim or to remain Muslim ?
39:18 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2015, 06:09:25 PM »
What is shahada in Islam? Isn't it a false shahada? Present day Muslims who utter this shahada never see or hear or feel Allah or Muhammad. So how can they utter this shahada to be Muslim or to remain Muslim ?

Good questions.

The Shahada can be false in what people imagine, or they can deal with it in an honest understanding. It is an affirmation of the basic creed of Islam and its underlying core, which is the rejection of all Gods/Powers other than the Ultimate, and then added to it also was that Muhammed is the slave and messenger of Allah. None of the statements are false if understood correctly. It can be considered an affirmation and meditation on the essential truths:

1. There is no power whatsoever other than Allah.
2. What is the Ultimate and Only Power is what is being called Allah, it is not supposed to be anything that people imagine, but is unlike everything. Everything is information, it is not information, it can only ever be One.
3. The one that the Qur'an is attributed to is known as Muhammed, regardless if he told the truth or lies, like all that exists, he was a slave and a messenger of Allah.

If someone is imagining their cousin Muhammed Jameel that is not what the creed is about, that is their own imagination. It is merely a tool, like the whole performance of the prayer.

People doubt why they should mention Muhammed, because they are associating things with Muhammed or in their imagination, and it works to expose their doubts concerning him or his existence.

The Qur'an exists, its a book, the one who brought the book is generally known as Muhammed. Whoever brought the book, called Muhammed, was a slave like we are all slaves, and a messenger of Allah, even the most foul mouthed liars are servants and messengers of Allah, no sacrifice is being made in these statements, except the Qur'an speaks the truth, and Muhammed is the one said to have brought it, so we are also affirming that we believe in the Qur'an, that it is a message of Allah, which again is true, even if it were all lies from top to bottom, again no sacrifices are being made in these statements.

It is a full statement and meditation against shirk, and mentioning that Muhammed is merely a slave and messenger like any other is not a glorification of Muhammed, but reminding people what he is, not a God, not a Savior, but a Slave who brought a Message, the Message was the Qur'an, it doesn't matter what the Qur'an says, it is just that is what he was, a slave who brought a message and thus a messenger.
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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2015, 06:22:49 PM »
What is this Islam you speak of?  Is it a name Abraham used to denote this religion?

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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 06:23:05 PM »
I know it might be difficult but pretend for a moment I am the wisest human being who has ever and will ever exist, and ask me the kind of questions you would ask the wisest of the wise in all the Universes and what you really want to know and I'll answer happily!

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Now please approach the skull throne!



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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2015, 06:30:23 PM »
What is this Islam you speak of?  Is it a name Abraham used to denote this religion?

Good question! It is assumed by many people the one the Muslims call Ibrahim was a semitic language speaker. I have no certain knowledge what language he spoke or what word he used. The Qur'an describes something which has taken on the word Islam these days and is generally said to mean "Surrender".

I give it the longer definition at times, due to some of the common meanings associated with the root word and other implications: "realizing peace/relief/healing by complete and utter surrender/submission/acknowledgment of the Truth/Reality (which is that Allah is the only power and cause of everything, the one to fear and the one we rely on willingly or unwillingly always)".

If anyone in the past had such an understanding, I don't know. If Ibrahim existed or how he existed or what he believed, I don't know. The Mormons for example rudely make a Book of the statements of Abraham and he is constantly talking about "Gods" and the Bible makes him out to be what seems to be a lying pimp. I eschew those things, and I prefer what the Qur'an depicts, the truth of which is moreover in its utility than in its history, the history of which matters little to me compared to its uses for our benefit.
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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2015, 07:08:18 PM »
If Islam is surrender then every celestial object in this universe is conforming with Islam.  The orbits they surrender to, could be said to be their salat.  The qualities of their salat can be said to be absolute and perfect.  Unconditional, even if it would set them on a course towards self-destruction they will persist.

How are we as humans supposed to understand this surrender?

Some say we should surrender to the metaphysical entirely, with the physical being evil by nature.  Some say, we have to wait in patience for a messiah to come to announce the judgment which is often spoken of.  Others say we should entirely not question those things and trust with conformity to Qurans message we should reserve a spot in what is promised.  Then others say, it is all but a metaphor and paradise and hell exist here and now.  Others call to arms and say we should kill the infidels right here and now.  How do you see this?

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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2015, 07:30:28 PM »
Now you may notice "peace/relief/healing" was mentioned, as the result of coming to terms with some sort of "truth" generally accepted to be concerning the nature of the Ultimate Reality, that is, what I call God.

How so? I will teach you the precepts of peace:

The person who is at peace is the one who takes no responsibility for what occurs, and blames everything on God instead.

So no matter where you are, when you are, what you are doing, how you are doing it, it is accepted to be "the will of God" which does not necessarily mean it is good for you or a good thing at all, but it is the belief that there is truly nothing you can actually do about where you end up being or what ends up happening, even though you clearly are one of the components in the story, none of the components are actually controlling the story, just like the words do not control the author, the author controls the words.

This is a tactic of feeling a sense of relief and peace. We're never late no matter how late we are. We are always right where we are intended to be by God, whether it is good or bad for us we do not know nor do we comfort ourselves with the idea that it is necessarily good for us, just that its God's doing and God's fault.

When we dislike something, we blame God for the thing and our disliking too.

Our mind is constantly turning towards God thus, and we enter a perpetual state of meditative thinking.

Many people misunderstand this. Haha wow the song I am listening to just said "You're the one who makes me sad" which also the Qur'an says explicitly.

They think they should be happy all the time, and then they shun anger and other feelings, creating more anxiety for themselves by being anxious about their feeling bad. The hatred, the anger, it is all from Allah, so the person even in their rage is secretly at peace by placing the responsibility on God.

Whatever misfortune occurs, we turn towards Allah, and whatever good happens, we turn towards Allah again. We feel sick, we turn to Allah, we start crying, Allah, Allah, Allah. "You alone we beseech for help".

The other method of peace, in relation to this, is the Hatred of God.

People are greatly disturbed by bad things, as they rightfully should be, and that disturbance they feel is from God as well. The problem they seem to have is coming to terms with the source of all that evil. When one acknowledges it is yet again God who is responsible for it all absolutely, and that nothing can be done about it except whatever we end up doing about it, then one finds another secret peace even in misery and hopelessness.

Another peace method is to "do what you can do when you can do it, and do not worry about what you can't do when you can't do it" and to know "that whatever you do, good or bad, is the will of Allah, but work towards good if you can and utilize everything you can for your benefit, and eschew harm if you can and when you can".

Many people create for themselves great anxiety by worrying about things they can do nothing about, and feeling terrible about their difficulties, never acknowledging that Allah is the one who is doing it to them, and Allah does so freely, leading some to harm and some to benefit freely, not being "driven" by anything at all, it is we who are "driven".

Another path to peace is to meditate on logical necessity and have a clear picture of what is going on. I can skip everyone the trouble of doing that and tell you what is going on:

God is non-information, having no image, is literally like nothing, not a black void like space, nor having any dimensions or size, just totally like nothing except that God can create information, the information is our experiences for example, that is it, there is only God and what God creates, what God creates, God creates every moment, our experiences moment to moment, this is why it is full and total control, there is no time, it is instantaneous generation and destruction of information, which is how anything works and moves.

Another peaceful meditation is on Surrender, not as giving up, but as surrendering to the plight we are in, that we fight when we fight, we cry when we cry, we laugh when we laugh, and we do what we are made to do happily if Allah wills it, or unhappily if Allah so wills. This also gives us some degree of private peace towards others, knowing that villainous folk are villainous perfectly as Allah intends them to be, but that doesn't make them good, nor does that mean we should not fight them and do our duty in rightness, if rightness is our way as Allah may intend, whatever at all we do or end up doing it is Allah doing it.

Here is the elimination of all pride in the truest sense, because whatever we are proud of regarding ourselves, Allah created it, and whatever we are not proud of, Allah created it. Literally "all praise belongs to Allah only" and "we did nothing except as Allah willed".

It is merely acknowledging that no matter how one looks at it carefully, this is the final result of thinking through the whole thing to the very end, and even if it is somehow false, it is indeed the way to attaining private mental peace, even when one is full of rage about everything, there remains this acknowledgment that it is God doing even that! What can we do! Laugh! Cry! Whatever Allah wills!

For example, Allah has set upon you the task of obsessing about certain things and typing all that you type, same with me, same with Man of Faith. We're all doing our jobs, but some of us may not blame Allah for it all and instead take responsibility for it and their words, thus if any words they speak are admirable to them, they are taking credit and not blaming God for it, whereas all that I've written, it may be good or it may be bad, but it is the creation of Allah from top to bottom, just like me and my appearance and my style and yours.

Thus I have taught some clear methods of how the statement of "Islam" is pragmatic. When one fully acknowledges their state of total surrender, they achieve a private sense of peace, relief, and healing.

The other peace is to destroy all lies and unimportant things until you reach the borders and limits, which is only Allah again, and then you surrender. I've written these things before, but people might see me saying them so much that they don't ponder on them much. Honestly, if anyone takes what I say, its for their own benefit, and if they ignore it or act arrogantly towards it, who is losing? Me? Perhaps, but they will only do as Allah bids them to do.

Another meditation is on how everyone and everything is equal before Allah, Allah is the only power, and everything else is equally just "information" which Allah creates and destroys constantly. In other words "we" are not lasting or important, and Allah is behind it all, and Allah is the only Life that anyone is living. Allah is all alone, we are all empty, dead, and temporary, the moment of "being you a moment ago" is now totally gone and destroyed, you're constantly dying and dead and empty, Allah is the only one alive, any conflict is just Allah talking to Allah, Allah making Allah's art as Allah prefers to make it, both are just empty puppets, if Allah makes one fall it will fall, there is nothing and no one but Allah, we're all the same, we're all alone, we are all one, except that what we believe is just a creation of Allah, and Allah can make us experience anything. So people should not mistake this as "we are all Allah" because Allah does not need any of us, and can create other things, we have no immortality, we are only temporary things, there is no time. The song just said "past and future tense" haha or something. What you were a moment ago is destroyed or else it would exist as your experience right now and there would be no impression of change or progress. Impermanence. The boy you used to be is dead too, and you die and you die because your God is Death itself, you are constantly returning. The song just said "There is much killing to be done".

I hope you enjoy these methods of peace and learn from them for your own private comfort in all the battles you may face ahead!
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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2015, 07:36:42 PM »
If Islam is surrender then every celestial object in this universe is conforming with Islam.  The orbits they surrender to, could be said to be their salat.  The qualities of their salat can be said to be absolute and perfect.  Unconditional, even if it would set them on a course towards self-destruction they will persist.

How are we as humans supposed to understand this surrender?

Some say we should surrender to the metaphysical entirely, with the physical being evil by nature.  Some say, we have to wait in patience for a messiah to come to announce the judgment which is often spoken of.  Others say we should entirely not question those things and trust with conformity to Qurans message we should reserve a spot in what is promised.  Then others say, it is all but a metaphor and paradise and hell exist here and now.  Others call to arms and say we should kill the infidels right here and now.  How do you see this?

Yes, as you said about the orbits, its true.

Sleep when you are sleepy, eat when you are hungry, when you are grateful thank Allah. When there is war at hand you fight, when there is peace you spread joy.

We are surrendered to Allah willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly. That does not mean we will necessarily be fine not doing anything at all, so instead, in as far as we can try, we should try to work on a strategy of attaining good in this life and the afterlife, taking into account what information is available to us. The strategy is to avoid the worst threat and to cover the most bases. Generally the way to do that is to study the religions, incorporate what is best, eschew what we think is risky, false, or bad, and ask Allah for help. If Allah helps us or not, we've thrown it in "Allah's court", then if we are helped or not, Allah does whatever Allah wills, we pray sincerely that Allah helps and guides us to the right path, even the prayers we utter are from Allah in the first place, anything we do and how we do it and how we see it and how others might see it and everything is from Allah entirely. Its merely that we acknowledge our current state of surrender, and work diligently for our benefit and those we care about besides ourselves as well. All these things can be determined through relatively clear thinking processes and steps, why is compassion useful to promote, why is charity useful, what are the benefits of Salat, and whatever else.
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Re: Ask FreedomStands about Islam: The Terrible Temple of FreedomStands
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2015, 07:43:39 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5BNgcwYhQ

"You got to see what we got to see"

"We got to find we got to find"

"What you see is what you get"

"Whether you be glad, sad, or bad"

Revelation 13:10
"If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed."

Wow lol the revelation I was talking about and going to get to put here happens to be listed on the front of the website, and I was amazed!

Today's Ayat for Tuesday, 2015-09-15 / 02 Dhu al-Hijjah 1436

That it is He Who grants laughter and tears,   

  -- an-Najm 53:43 as rendered by Bilal Muhammad

Miracles!

The song is "Vaporized".


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