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Started by JiburIshman, September 29, 2014, 09:02:46 AM

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good logic

Peace JiburIshman.

Ah but there is only one god!!!!!

Have we not agreed before, that there is no Judaism, Christianity, traditional Islam...etc. There are all man made religions?

There is only one system, God s system.  While you and I have the choice now, we can choose God s system or man s system,but eventually God s system will prevail after this predetermined period for all of us.

So choose carefully and kill your "ego" now.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Jafar

Quote from: JiburIshman on October 05, 2014, 12:34:08 PM
@jafar

If a person of faith has weak faith, then why do they call themselves a believer, it makes them an an assumer. I value sincerity as a virtue. BTW I've heard these banal mental gymnastics before.


Believer assumer hypoteser whatever names that you see fits, it's practically the same.

When human faced with an 'unknown' / 'unclear' circumstances they will assume, believe, hypothesize about something to fill the gap.

Heck that's how things get started in scientific method anyway..
Start with a 'belief' / 'assumption' / 'hypothesis' and then try to test such 'belief' / 'assumption' / 'hypothesis'.
If the 'belief' / 'assumption' / 'hypothesis' proven to be incorrect then adjust the 'belief' / 'assumption' / 'hypothesis' and restart the process.

Einstein believed that 'black hole' do not exist, yet he's proven wrong after his death..
Einstein believed that 'worm hole' do exist, yet so far no evidence of the existence of such 'worm hole'..
Einstein believed that 'the nazi germany' possess nuclear weapon, and helped to build one for the USA, thus caused hundred of thousand deaths of Japanese civilians, yet he's proven wrong after WWII ended, the nazis do not possess any nuclear weapon.

The belief shaped the action..
It's the action that shall be judged..

Sincerity and Honesty is a good virtue...

hawk99

Peace JiburIshman,

Beliefs are just what the word means, either you believe or you don't, put your calculator away!


Quote from: JiburIshman on October 08, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
I never made a claim with absolute certainty, which is what one is required to do to be a supernatural theist.

Says Who, you?   :rotfl:     :hail



You said earlier:

Quote from: JiburIshman on October 07, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
I like to have conversations with people who have beliefs in things that I find very peculiar. I am genuinely perplexed as to how some otherwise very intelligent people believe in invisible magical entities with absolute certainty. You have people with PHD's who are supernaturalists. The majority of humans have beliefs which lack evidence, this is not just restricted to religion, ie some people uninfected with the god belief believe that George Bush knocked down the Twin Towers.

You are not perplexed my friend, you are in my opinion, jealous or angry but not perplexed, you appear to be
well informed but envious of us who find peace thru faith, while you are left with your:

Quote from: JiburIshman on September 30, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
The only spirits that are reality based to me so far are Gin and Vodka

I noticed you used the words "so far," that's good.


God bless

   :peace:
 
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

Man of Faith

I would say he is deluded by this world.

The pathetic impression of world religions do not help either with their object god idol more resembling a grumpy bearded old man in military uniform than an abstract entity that exists in all materia/energy of the world.

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JiburIshman

@goodlogic

clarity in speaking is important, what do you mean by gods system? and how do you know this systems exist? what data do you have access to that nobody else has?

@hawk

Theism has always been a belief with 100% certainty that a supernatural god exists. If you are not 100% you are an agnostic.

How can one ascertian jealousy or anger through a screen? I find otherwise educated grown adults having invisible, imaginary  friends very bizarre and childish and try to understand why they need that.

I don't have the fear that i could very possibly face an eternal holocaust where I'm repeadtly burnt by a god because of thought crimes who doesn't accept me as I am. What exactly is there to be jealous of there? Why would I be jealous on a belief which draws people in through fear mongering and treat people like children who need something to be scared of to manipulate them?

@Man of Faith

Play the ball, not the man. What's with the personal insults? Are you ten years old and in Primary School?

Man of Faith

Jiburl,

Deluded does not necessarily mean I insult you, only that you are fooled to think a certain way. I wrote also that we have the pathetic impression of "world religions" to blame for that.

And "faith" is not the way you think and have been fed with information until now or read poorly translated Arabic/Aramaic scriptures. What is "God" does not require any kind of "belief" or confirmation.

But ignore "God" for starters for that is not the important matter but what is important is who you are. Behavior and deeds is quite essential.

I implied in the previous post that "God" is not some kind of grumpy old skyman in military uniform who yells out orders like a drill sergeant. Entirely without needs or wants, except a final energy charge measurement which determines good vs evil in ourselves and we bring doom upon ourselves and not that "higher power" since the souls are shallow and empty. "God" could care less without any need or wants but also is a goodly spirit so information is out to people who are spiritual enough to perceive it.

Besides I gave you reasons to why you would not be able to exist if it was not for some incomprehensible "higher power". Since you ignore that and do not answer my questions I took you for deluded and that is not intended as an insult but rather as a state you are in. You cannot "disbelieve" in something that is obvious so all you can be is deluded. And you can be part of it but you cannot "believe" in it because it is obvious.

And if you have nothing to say but irony or even sarcastic remarks then so be it. Enjoy yourself. But I would mind my behavior if I were you.

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good logic

Peace JiburIshman.

I simply have "my proof". Searched ,studied ,compared ,reflected,observed, checked... Now I am certain about the existence of my Creator and His system.

Of course "proof" is for the believers,which is another issue.

We may be on a different path /journey at the moment,but one day we will both realise the true path. I just hope that it is not too late for either me or you.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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JiburIshman


@Man of Faith

Yuur mental contortions obfuscate things more than they provide lucidity. How can you even know what a god wants/needs or doesn't want/need when no god can even be discerned?

Besides I gave you reasons to why you would not be able to exist if it was not for some incomprehensible "higher power".

up to now we know that some things are created and some don't require a creator. The "what ever begins to exist need a creator" fallacy is outdated armchair philosophy that has been demonstrably debunked and proven to be untrue with Quantam Mechanics.

@good logic

personal visceral feelings are not proof of an objective claim. Those same type of subjective feelings lead to many other people to a completely different religious certainty belief which are irreconcilable with yours. How would it be possible to work out between yours and a persons whose religious belief is different whose is true and untrue ?

peace

good logic

Peace JiburIshman.

I recognise the differences and respect that each one of us has the freedom to choose.

Do you?

Then, we agree to disagree.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
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38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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Man of Faith

 Quantum physics only prove the phenomenon of "God" or a 'Constancy' effect even better. Science is good to explain what that 'Constancy' is. And science also creates new questions to be asked.

But it is not fallible to think a "background intelligence" is needed for life to evolve. Either that little cell is very intelligent or there is higher intelligence. What do you think is true?

It is not a fallible argument at all, or how would you expect that the universe with its energy have everything bind together. I find it is more fallible and irrational saying there is no "higher power". Please answer the questions instead of trying to be arrogant.

But you have a deluded image of what is "God". Because you think it is an object while it is an abstract force/energy, and it is the expanding universe itself and all its energy. What else do you think is causing everything in the world including imaginative looking animals and all sorts of wonderful phenomena. You think nature needed it itself?

You think nature knew what looks nice?

What caused gravity to exist?

Why do atoms stick together and form molecules?

What keeps the universe with all its mass to keep together?

There are so many questions I could ask you and you find no answers except some rude response and a delusive reply about something called "God" that I do not stand by, because you do not look beyond your own own scope. Come up with something instead of some generic replies.

And not have you yet explained my original question without showing the worst of attitude.

And there is no needs or wants for that 'constancy' but only people who are good and are aligned.

Gain harmony, will you?
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