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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 07:59:07 AM »
peace Mazhar,
you and I have already discussed a little about the flaws in your article.

But in any case, if you wish to accept this thread challenge please confirm here.



All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. My articles

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 10:12:17 AM »
peace Mazhar,
you and I have already discussed a little about the flaws in your article.

But in any case, if you wish to accept this thread challenge please confirm here.

Conirmed.

Flaws? Please find one in that article about five timings; for convenience a graph is even given therein.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2014, 11:05:39 AM »
I will join the chalennge if this about "By using Quran Only, Is there any verses in the Quran which said if salat is physical raki'-sujud ritual?"

Peace

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 10:51:09 AM »
I believe that since salat has been revealed before the Quranic Revelation, one has to look to the previous people/ Scriptures whom Salat has been revealed to, in order to get more understanding of what Salat really is, and the numbers.

The focus groups would be (All of which are mentioned/alluded to in the Quran are:
1) Mandaeans (Sabaens) (5 prayers lessened to 3 Prayers by John the Baptist) (Sabaeen in Quran 22:17)
2) Zoroastrians (5 prayers) (Majus in Quran 22:17)
3) Samaritans (3 times, more on holidays) (Early schism of children of Israel)
4) Early Jewish tribes/Torah/Tanakh (some 3, some 5, some combine 5 into 3 times)
5) New Testament (3 times, 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)


The two hardest group to find out is Mandaeans and samaritans, since their numbers are few, and there is not a lot of available literature out there.
1) This free online book is about Mandaeans
http://mandaeannetwork.com/Mandaean/en_The_Mandaeans_of_Iraq_and_Iran_sabians_mandaeannetwork.html?i1

Also as an intro to Mandaeans in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ean-WKnw_nU


2) Zoroastrianism
https://archive.org/details/ourownreligionin00millrich

3) Samaritans outreach website
http://www.thesamaritanupdate.com/

1) "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds :)" (Avesta)

2) Golden Rule :) (Matthew 7:12)

3) God created life to see which of us would do good deeds :) (Quran 67:2)

4) Karma :): He will requite those who commit evil for their works, and He will reward the good-doers with good (Quran 53:31)

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
There are already sufficient people here . . . it is unlikely that more will join.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2014, 12:40:17 PM »
Salamun alaika;

It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.

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Salamun alaika;

It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!

Sorry - little gripe!

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2014, 01:01:43 PM »
It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!

Sorry - little gripe!


Peace be with you.


Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.



Regards.
Turn to Allah before you turn to ashes.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2014, 01:06:43 PM »

Peace be with you.


Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.



Regards.

وَالسَّلَامُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدْتُ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيًّا

19:33

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You need to know something about the language . . .

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2014, 01:09:06 PM »

Peace be with you.


Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.



Regards.

Salaam sis,

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19:47  قَالَ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكَ ۖ سَأَسْتَغْفِرُ لَكَ رَبِّي ۖ إِنَّهُ كَانَ بِي حَفِيًّا

Salaam,
Bender
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-alameen

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2014, 01:47:29 PM »
Salaam sis,

 :yes

19:47  قَالَ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكَ ۖ سَأَسْتَغْفِرُ لَكَ رَبِّي ۖ إِنَّهُ كَانَ بِي حَفِيًّا

Salaam,
Bender

Like most - bender doesn't know any Arabic either . . . but is happy enough to . . .

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19:47  قَالَ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكَ ۖ سَأَسْتَغْفِرُ لَكَ رَبِّي ۖ إِنَّهُ كَانَ بِي حَفِيًّا

The following greeting is within a sentence - here its grammar position and function is different.

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Bender seems not to be very clever either. Else he would have noticed:

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But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.

So the posting of his verse . . . was a pointless exercise.