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Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110

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Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:16:19 AM »
Edip-Layth   17:110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.19

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 04:56:39 AM »
Peace 357.

Are you " DUMP"?

 The reason I am asking you, is because you would have known you can" seek a path in between".

Ask someone dump and see what they say?

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 05:23:12 AM »
Peace 357.

Being " dumb" is not an issue.

God is asking for concentration. It means do not let your mind/thoughts wonder. Many other ways helps a person concentrate.

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 05:51:02 AM »
Peace 357.

Being " dumb" is not an issue.

God is asking for concentration. It means do not let your mind/thoughts wonder. Many other ways helps a person concentrate.

Peace.

Okay i will assume you alresdy have asked someone  ;)



" Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.

I think the normal translation does specifically talk about not being "too loud" or "too quite", Now how did you go to the concentration bit?

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 06:47:43 AM »
Peace 357.

I deduced it. For me " iqami" salah/salat/sala is both mental and physical.  A private time to connect to my creator.

Notice how I used the word " Iqami" so that i do not have to spend a lot of posts justifying what I do.

I will also mention " Kharru" Sujadan , to justify my physical prostration in my prayer to my creator.

All GOD s different  creatures perform their own different " sujud" and their own different " Islam" to their creator.

You may believe differently, as I gather from your posts. That is fine, so long as it is your choice and not imposed on you.

I also agree with others that sala/salah/salat without " iqam" means something else . Sujud without " kharru" likewise.

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 08:03:13 AM »
Edip-Layth   17:110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.19

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Salaam,

The above translation is not correct as per my understanding. Please take a look at this link


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
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6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
 
3:51    إن الله ربي وربكم فاعبدوه هذا صرط مستقيم
3:51    Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him,

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 08:57:14 AM »
What do you guy's think, could it be telling the prophet how to deliver the quranic message to men;

 
a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages. {17:106)

Voice projection is a huge benefit in public speaking and lecturing. Many people tend to speak too quickly, too low, too loud, or are just plain lazy.

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Re: Does being dumb entitle me to skip Salah? 17:110
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 11:48:07 AM »
Peace.

Here's what Ayman wrote back in 2004:

We should not make things forbidden that The God did not forbid. The God NEVER says that reading the great reading silently or "salat" silently is "mo7arama"/forbidden. When the context from the sign in 17:106-111 is taken into account, then things can be easily understood.

17:106 clearly talks about reading on PEOPLE.
17:107-109 start with an order to "say" (to PEOPLE).
17:110 also starts with "say" (to PEOPLE) so like the signs before it there are other PEOPLE involved.
17:111 also starts with "say" (to PEOPLE)

When one looks at the whole context and not just pick one verse, it becomes abundantly clear that the context is learning/"salat" with other people present that we SAY the message to. Moreover, the signs provide a clear link between the command in 17:106 to READ to others "3ala mukuth" and the implementation of that command through the learning process in 17:110 with the moderate voice.

I think what it comes to is that when you have a group study/discussion about the reading or giving a lecture you shouldn't be screaming, like some sheikh on an islamic program on tv. Nor should you be whispering when you have an audience. So choose a tone in between. Make your voice audible and clear, but do not raise your voice and sound like a donkey.
Sounds like good advice.


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