Is it shirk to rape women?

[youssef4342]

Well, if you take your hobby so much so that you're "blinded", whether it be drugs, sports, Money, children, you might as well be commiting Shirk/Idol Worship

Note that Shirk/Idol worship is NOT limited to the concievabvle praying to statues:

Forms of Idol worship 

Types of Idols

Idol worship is not just restricted to worship of any statues or picture frames, etc. The Quran cites many forms of idol worship.

1. Calf, statues as idols.

[2:51] Yet, when we summoned Moses for forty nights, you worshiped the calf in his absence, and turned wicked.*

[21:51-53] Before that, we granted Abraham his guidance and understanding, for we were fully aware of him.* He said to his father and his people, "What are these statues to which you are devoting yourselves?" They said, "We found our parents worshiping them."

2. Worshipping other gods (is worshipping the devil).

[4:117] They even worship female gods besides Him; as a matter of fact, they only worship a rebellious devil.

3. Jesus as idol.

[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord* and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.

4. Jinns as idols.

[6:100] Yet, they set up beside GOD idols from among the jinns, though He is the One who created them. They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.

5. Children as idols.

[7:190] But when He gives them a good baby, they turn His gift into an idol that rivals Him. GOD be exalted, far above any partnership.

6. Humans as idols.

[7:194] The idols you invoke besides GOD are creatures like you. Go ahead and call upon them; let them respond to you, if you are right.

7. "Intercessors" as Idols. From the Quran, it is obvious - there is no intercession by anyone on the Day of Judgment.

[10:18] They worship beside GOD idols that possess no power to harm them or benefit them, and they say, "These are our intercessors at GOD!" Say, "Are you informing GOD of something He does not know in the heavens or the earth?" Be He glorified. He is the Most High; far above needing partners.

8. Satan as an idol.

[14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."

9. Property as an idol.

[18:32-36] Cite for them the example of two men: we gave one of them two gardens of grapes, surrounded by date palms, and placed other crops between them. Both gardens produced their crops on time, and generously, for we caused a river to run through them. Once, after harvesting, he boastfully told his friend: "I am far more prosperous than you, and I command more respect from the people." When he entered his garden, he wronged his soul by saying, "I do not think that this will ever end. "Moreover, I think this is it; I do not think that the Hour (the Hereafter) will ever come to pass. Even if I am returned to my Lord, I will (be clever enough to) possess an even better one over there."

[18:42] Indeed, his crops were wiped out, and he ended up sorrowful, lamenting what he had spent on it in vain, as his property lay barren. He finally said, "I wish I never set up my property as a god beside my Lord."

10. The dead prophets, messengers and saints as idols.

[16:20-21] As for the idols they set up beside GOD, they do not create anything; they themselves were created. They are dead, not alive, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected.

[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.

11. God's servants as idols.

[18:102] Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as gods beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.

The idol need not be an image in front of you.

12. Ego as an idol.

This is a common form of idolatry. Most humans, because of their ego cannot bring themselves to worship God, nor can they make their opinion subordinate to God's opinion spelled out in the Quran because of their ego. If we disobey God and His messenger, we are committing idol worship even though there is no image in front of us. This is because we would be giving our opinion more importance than God's words.

[25:43] Have you seen the one whose god is his own ego? Will you be his advocate?

[45:23] Have you noted the one whose god is his ego? Consequently, GOD sends him astray, despite his knowledge, seals his hearing and his mind, and places a veil on his eyes. Who then can guide him, after such a decision by GOD? Would you not take heed?

13. Upholding religious Sources other than God's words, as an idol

As a Submitter (Muslim) if we follow a source other than Quran for religious guidance it would be idolatry. The following verse makes it clear that the Quran is God's Testimony. Following any other source is defined as idolatry. Worshipping God is to obey His words only (Quran) and not the words of humans (scholars, religious leaders, mullahs, etc.).

[6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran* has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

Footnote: *6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolaters.

14. Religious leaders and scholars as idols.

(sub-title) Upholding the Teachings of Religious Leaders, Instead of God's Teachings
[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

Footnote: *9:31 If you consult the "Muslim scholars" about worshiping God alone, and upholding the word of God alone, as taught in this proven scripture, they will advise you against it. If you consult the Pope about the identity of Jesus, he will advise you to uphold a trinity. If you obey the "Muslim scholars" whose advice is contrary to God's teachings, or if you take the Pope's advice instead of God's, you have set up these religious leaders as gods instead of God.

15. Creating sects in religion is idol worship.

The Quran forbids dividing ourselves into sects. Those who divide into sects are termed as idol worshippers.

[30:31-32] You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship. (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.

16. Dividing believers and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messengers is practicing idol worship.

[9:107] There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose GOD and His messenger. They solemnly swear: "Our intentions are honorable!" GOD bears witness that they are liars.

Footnote: *9:107 Any masjid where the practices are not devoted absolutely to God ALONE belongs to Satan, not God. For example, mentioning the names of Abraham, Muhammad, and/or Ali in the Azan and/or the Salat prayers violates God's commandments in 2:136, 2:285, 3:84, & 72:18. Unfortunately, this is a common idolatrous practice throughout the corrupted Muslim world.

We learn from the Quran that idols cannot judge (40:20), idols cannot create anything and are powerless (13:16, 46:4) and idols do not bring us closer to God (39:3). We learn that idolaters follow conjecture (6:148) and that idolaters deny idol worship - now & on the Day of Judgment (6:22-24).

God grants perfect security and happiness for believers who are devoted to Him alone without committing idol worship.

[6:82] Those who believe, and do not pollute their belief with idol worship, have deserved the perfect security, and they are truly guided.

[39:17] As for those who discard the worship of all idols, and devote themselves totally to GOD alone, they have deserved happiness. Give good news to My servants.

 

May God protect us from worshiping idols.

[14:35] Recall that Abraham said, "My Lord, …. protect me and my children from worshiping idols.

[6:162-164] Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe.He has no partner. This is what I am commanded to believe, and I am the first to submit." Say, "Shall I seek other than GOD as a lord, when He is the Lord of all things? No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another. Ultimately, you return to your Lord, then He informs you regarding all your disputes."

http://www.masjidtucson.org/submission/monotheism/idolworship.html
 

[Bigmo]

Well, if you take your hobby so much so that you're "blinded", whether it be drugs, sports, Money, children, you might as well be commiting Shirk/Idol Worship

Note that Shirk/Idol worship is NOT limited to the concievabvle praying to statues:

Forms of Idol worship

That is not the Quranic understanding. Idols simply represent deities. Deities cold be ancestors, planets, creatures, nature etc. But its based on theology. Rashad Khalifah has not informed us of what the pagans of Mecca believed. He probably didn't know. But as shown by research into pagan religions its all based on theology.

Ancestor Worship
 
Devotion to deceased relatives was a mainstay in Norse religion. Ancestors constituted one of the most ancient and widespread types of deity worshipped in the Nordic region. Although most scholarship focuses on the larger community's dedication to more fantastic gods and myths of the Vikings, it is understood that some sort of ancestor worship was probably an element of the private religious practices of the farmstead and village.[8] Often times in addition to showing adoration to the standard Nordic gods, warriors would toast to “their kinsmen who lay in barrows

Localized Deities
 
All Nordic peoples recognized a range of spirits dwelling in particular objects and places, such as trees, stones, waterfalls, lakes, houses, and small handmade idols. These localized deities would receive offerings from Cult leaders through the use of Sami seidi altars, which were placed among the forests and mountain sides which would be designated and restricted for certain deities.[18] These altars were seen as the only means in which to confirm receptiveness of the offerings by the Cult leaders.
 
Localized Deities played a significant role in religiously themed Nordic poems and sagas. In the poem Austrafaravisur (c.1020), the Christian skald Sigvatr complains of not being able to get into to any of the farms around the area of Sweden where he visits because of the diligent celebration of a sacrifice in honor of the elves.[19]
 
These localized deities also held the capacity of being a part of an intimate and personal relationship with the worshiper. It was very common for an individual to have their own personal guardian spirits who would receive personal offerings and relate to the individual's own dynamics.[20]
 
[edit] Agrarian Deities
 
As agriculture developed in the Nordic communities so did the use of agricultural deities. As Norse life depended more and more on the factors that affected their crops, they began to dedicate more time to the deities that they believed had control over the weather, seasonal cycle, crops, and other agricultural aspects.[21] Gods such as Freyr were portrayed as having control over the weather and being a commander of fertility amongst the crops.
 




"Freyr" (1901) by Johannes Gehrts, The god associated with sacral kingship, virility and prosperity, with sunshine and fair weather, and was pictured as a phallic fertility god.
Although anthropomorphic in many respects, what is unique about these gods is the enhanced aspects of sexuality, reproduction, and fertility.[22] Not only do these gods have reign over the crops but they were also believed to have a profound effect on livestock, as they were often displayed with horns or animal fur.
 
A mainstay of Agrarian Deities is the use of magic for regeneration, which opens the door for other uses of magic. The Eddaic poem Voluspa portrays Vanir magic as a powerfully potent force used against the AEsir(Volupsa).[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_religion#Localized_Deities

Thats what the Quran is talking about. Many paganism religions worship spirits and nature and planets. Others worshiped ancestors whose spiritis became divine.

Plus I noticed that rashad did not interpret some of the verses properly.

And his fruits were encompassed [by ruin], so he began to turn his hands about [in dismay] over what he had spent on it, while it had collapsed upon its trellises, and said, "Oh, I wish I had not associated with my Lord anyone."

Rashad seems to think any veneration of some sort is an idol. Well then a Quranist can be accused of idolizing a book called the Quran.

[good logic]

Peace Bigmo.

Quote:  Well then a Quranist can be accused of idolizing a book called the Quran.

If you believe the book can save you, or guide you , or protect you etc...Then yes you are idolising " The book".

Remember deep inside you have to "submit , total submission" and only accept that "GOD ALONE" can benefit you or harm you.

Fair enough use the book as an instruction, but deal with the creator only for guidance.
Nothing else! Period.

Peace.

[357]

Salaam,

Say: "Come let me recite what your Lord has made harrama for you: that you should not tushrikoo anything with Him; AND ihsanan  to your parents; AND do not taqtuloo your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; AND do not come near alfawahisha, what is evident of it and what is subtle; AND do not taqtuloo the life which God has made harrama, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."

Salaam,
Bender

Nice one.

When we disobey and hurt others , be it parents , our children, someone we don't now as told in the above ayah, are we or arn't we taking up partnership with Allah? if we wern't then we wouldn't be giving ourselves the opurtunity to make decisions which he is entitled to make only.
Only he has the power to kill or decide who will die not anyone else.

 

[hawk99]

Wow!

This post is crazy, shockingly stupid.

[5:77] Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path."

Peace   

[357]

Wow!

This post is crazy, shockingly stupid.

[5:77] Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path."

Peace   

people have been duped into thinking in a way which instead of benefitting humanity has made it into a detriment.

Just look at sura nine , "kill the mushriks where ever you find them"  it is right to kill murderrers thugs  as that is what person becoming partner of Allah does starts to assert his own laws, he Starts to take over the rights of Allah.

why can't people see such an obviouse thing! I just don't know.

I hope people open there eyes to see what it is all about. 

[Bigmo]

people have been duped into thinking in a way which instead of benefitting humanity has made it into a detriment.

Just look at sura nine , "kill the mushriks where ever you find them"  it is right to kill murderrers thugs  as that is what person becoming partner of Allah does starts to assert his own laws, he Starts to take over the rights of Allah.

why can't people see such an obviouse thing! I just don't know.

I hope people open there eyes to see what it is all about. 

I  dont like it when people do not quote the verses in its entirety and without the context it appears. that verse you are talking about is about defensive war. You are making it sound as if the Quran is ordering us to kill mushriks. Plus how you define shirk also now means we will be fighting  all mankind including monotheist. This is the most defective Quranic interpretation I have heard and can only be maintained by selective quoting of verses and taking them out of context.

This reminds me of the Islam bashers who also take verses of the Quran out of context.

[357]

I  dont like it when people do not quote the verses in its entirety and without the context it appears. that verse you are talking about is about defensive war.

of course it is, i agree.

But it shows you fight mushriks/people-breaking Gods laws, if they go too extreme, killing, raping, forcing people out of their homes........

You are making it sound as if the Quran is ordering us to kill mushriks.

we do under certain circumstances.

what do we do with terorists, or murderers rampaging........

Plus how you define shirk also now means we will be fighting  all mankind including monotheist.

If you call yourself a monotheist but behave as a murderer , then yes the quran says to fight you.

This is the most defective Quranic interpretation I have heard and can only be maintained by selective quoting of verses and taking them out of context.

No, this is when we take all the verses together and look into them.

This reminds me of the Islam bashers who also take verses of the Quran out of context.

context only matters when looking at individual verses, i think you will agree.

 

[Aryan Warrior]

Nice one.

When we disobey and hurt others , be it parents , our children, someone we don't now as told in the above ayah, are we or arn't we taking up partnership with Allah? if we wern't then we wouldn't be giving ourselves the opurtunity to make decisions which he is entitled to make only.
Only he has the power to kill or decide who will die not anyone else.

 

We are only taking up partners if we end up ignoring the verses 24:3, 25:68, and as well as 6:151 which clearly show that God considers shirk and sins as two separate things.

The verse 6:151 which you replied to just now further brings up the evidence of why sin is not shirk as it used "AND" to talk about multiple different points with shirk being separate from all those mentioned.

Shirk is belief not simple sins. Bigmo has time after time posted evidence to it too and you refuse to acknowledge much of it and again if you are so hell bent on fighting anyone who doesn't agree with your definition of Shirk, why did you even make this topic asking a question about it?

No, this is when we take all the verses together and look into them.

and yet you choose to ignore 24:3, 25:68, and 6:151 that clearly show the difference between shirk and sin and me and REG have explained multiple times up to now.

[Bigmo]

of course it is, i agree.

But it shows you fight mushriks/people-breaking Gods laws, if they go too extreme, killing, raping, forcing people out of their homes........

we do under certain circumstances.

what do we do with terorists, or murderers rampaging........


If you call yourself a monotheist but behave as a murderer , then yes the quran says to fight you.

No, this is when we take all the verses together and look into them.

context only matters when looking at individual verses, i think you will agree.

 

Verse 9.5 is talking about going to war and not capital punishment. Capital punishment has a different set of conditions than going to war. War has prisoners of war and murderers and rapist are not prisoners of war. Plus the Quran does not allow capital punishment except for murder but allows exile from the community as an alternative. You tend to have  a very broad interpretation of verse 9.5. What is surprising is you saying that you are taking the Quran as a whole. There are verses that deal with murder and manslaughter and there are verses that deal with war. They are not the same thing. Prisoners of war have two choices, either freedom or ransom of some sort. Murderers are not to be set free.