If "code 19" is false, What is the proof mentioned in Qoran?

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Peace Noon Waalkalami.

Brother , the verses you quoted  have no subject in front of them. If something is mentioned before "Tilka" then it becomes the subject.

" Tilk rusul"...  refers to rusul.
"A L R TILKA... refers to A L R.

GOD either gives the subject straight before " tilka" or straight after " tilka" . HE does not keep you guessing which is the subject.

If there is something before " tilka" it is always the subject. For A L R that is the subject not " Aayat" like you are saying.

Peace.

[Noon waalqalami]

If there is something before " tilka" it is always the subject. For A L R that is the subject not " Aayat" like you are saying.

Peace good logic,

We are back to my initial post; what say is inconsistent and inaccurate ...

11:1 الر
 كتاب scripture أحكمت are tightened اياته its verses ثم furthermore فصلت explained من from لدن One Who حكيم Wise خبير Aware

14:1 الر
كتاب scripture أنزلناه We sent it اليك to you لتخرج that you bring out الناس the mankind من from الظلمات the darkness الى to النور the light باذن by permission ربهم their Lord الى to صراط path العزيز The Mighty الحميد The Praiseworthy

[good logic]

Peace Noon Waalkalami.

 God is very consistent brother.

Let me show you what I mean.  Whenever GOD uses " Tilka" after the initials it always refers to the letters. as a subject,But When GOD wants to use another subject after the initials HE does not use "Tilka".

Let me give you some examples:

Sura 2:  A L M.   " Dhalika...
Sura 3   A L M,    " God...
Sura 10  A L R," Tilka....
Sura 12  A L R "Tilka...

Check the rest of the Initials for yourself.

 When GOD wants to refer to the initials as a subject  HE put " Tilka" straight after it. Also it is in the same numbered verse.

When GOD wants a different subject HE does not use " Tilka". Also the initials are numbered as a verse separately

That is how consistent GOD is..

Peace.

 

[Bender]

Peace Bender.

The messenger in question in [44:13-14] refers to the messenger of the covenant.

He brought the " proof of Qoran". That is the connection of " code 19".

Peace.

Salaam,

Do you think the message of The Quran is timeless?
I mean, generations before Rashad those verses were already in The Quran.
How should they have understood them?

Salaam,
Bender

[Magnus]

 When GOD wants to refer to the initials as a subject  HE put " Tilka" straight after it. Also it is in the same numbered verse.

When GOD wants a different subject HE does not use " Tilka". Also the initials are numbered as a verse separately

That is how consistent GOD is..

You speculate wildly, "good logic".
What you have demonstrated is that your activity is misnamed. Rather than "code 19" it should be called "selection criteria 19".
You have chosen to believe that the integer 19 is important, and you lend importance to places where you find it, which you will probably do about every 19th time you go looking for it, or about 5.3 % the time.
Since you have moved the goalposts (or rather re-defined the data set) from not only "analyzing" the initials but also (some) word(s) following after them, there is now any number of new variations that can be tallied up. Some of these variations are bound to be 19 divisibles by the laws of probability. If you could present a standard method that could be used to analyse the entire Quran, we could examine if the 19 divisible stuff is actually more common than one would expect from probability alone.

What you describe is an anecdote, not a pattern. A collection of anecdotes is not a code.

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Peace Bender.

GOD is in control, not you or me or anybody else.

There is more stuff in Qoran that nobody understands yet. How are we to understand them? We simply cannot until that future arrives?

Qoran is the last scripture. It is for the past, the present and the future generations.

Peace.

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Peace Magnus.

Your post is evidence that you are not reading what went on in this thread?

That was my answer to a specific question from  Noon Waalkalami.
Obviously you are the one speculating!

I said to you earlier that you can find the whole table about " code 19" and the initials. Actually it is on this site.

Double check it and see for yourself.

The standard method is you do the counts yourself. Some are easy.
I have given you one example:

Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42 + 53 = 95 = 19x5.

Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50 + 45 = 95, same total as in Sura 42.

By counting the letter "Q" in every "Verse 19" throughout the Quran, the total count comes to 76, 19x4. Here is a summary of the Q-related data:

The frequency of occurrence of "Q" in Sura "Q" (No. 50) is 57, 19x3.
The letter "Q" occurs in the other Q-initialed sura (No. 42) exactly the same number of times, 57.
The total occurrence of the letter "Q" in the two Q-initialed suras is 114, which equals the number of suras in the Quran.
"The Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times.

Obviously if GOD is saying The Initials are the "proof" then you analyse the initial chapters. The whole Qoran has got other Suras that have no initials! .The whole Qoran is also numerically composed. Each chapter and verse is arranged by GOD, the author of the Qoran.

 Confirm or deny the example above FIRST, THEN WE MOVE ON.

Peace.

[Magnus]

As I said previously, until we have had a thorough discussion about the fundamental assumptions behind this numerology, I won't partake in any detailed discussions about numbers and tables. I don't see what I could learn from counting myself. Even if my results were exactly the same as yours I would still be left with a now slightly more verified selection of anecdotes that still wouldn't form any meaningful pattern I could rationally discern. I would have to believe in 19 as the criterium of truth for what you suggest to sound like a good use of my time, I suspect.

Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42 + 53 = 95 = 19x5.

Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50 + 45 = 95, same total as in Sura 42.

Those sure are two anecdotes. There are more than 100 chapters of the Quran. How many chapters does this method work for? All of them or just some? Does it match up in significantly more than 5% of all possible cases? Because that would actually be a remarkable pattern! As long as you cherry-pick which anecdotes to present as "proof" of anything, I just can't take you or your ideas seriously.

[Bender]

Peace Bender.

GOD is in control, not you or me or anybody else.

There is more stuff in Qoran that nobody understands yet. How are we to understand them? We simply cannot until that future arrives?

Qoran is the last scripture. It is for the past, the present and the future generations.

Peace.

Salaam good logic,

To an other member you said this:

God is very consistent brother.

Let me show you what I mean.  Whenever GOD uses " Tilka" after the initials it always refers to the letters. as a subject,But When GOD wants to use another subject after the initials HE does not use "Tilka".

Now would it be difficult for Allah to say:
44:13 Now that it is too late, they remember! Rashad Khalifa had come to them.
instead of:
44:13 Now that it is too late, they remember! An enlightening messenger had come to them.

I also never read a verse like this:
"19 tilka ayaatu alkitaab..."

Salaam,
Bender

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Peace Bender.

Allah will say what HE chooses to say, not what  we want HIM to say.

Some people will not believe and ask Why does GOD not come down to us or send Angels. That is not difficult for GOD to either.

But there are some things HE does not do because of the test.

GOD tries all believers according to HIS knowledge , not ours.

Also GOD allowed us the freedom of choice. Some people will not believe in the proof and ridicule it. It is their choice.

However GOD did say every time HE sends a messenger they " ridicule him".

Peace.