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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 10:40:10 PM »
Yeah but your options are traditionalists which are overwhelmingly tough to deal with if utterly religious with all their hadiths.

Turks are not that bad.

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 11:31:09 PM »
Salaam,

I agree with recluse, this is because the life after marriage will not be same as it is now [before marriage]. It gonna be change totally. I am saying this all based on my own personal experiences. Its not that easy how we think, there will be many new issues taking birth everyday, so be careful.

Unfortunately, I saw quote of 2:221 without pointing out what exactly is the message in it.

2:221 وَ لَا تَنۡکِحُوا الۡمُشۡرِکٰتِ حَتّٰی یُؤۡمِنَّ ؕ وَ لَاَمَۃٌ مُّؤۡمِنَۃٌ خَیۡرٌ مِّنۡ مُّشۡرِکَۃٍ وَّ لَوۡ اَعۡجَبَتۡکُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا تُنۡکِحُوا الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ حَتّٰی یُؤۡمِنُوۡا ؕ وَ لَعَبۡدٌ مُّؤۡمِنٌ خَیۡرٌ مِّنۡ مُّشۡرِکٍ وَّ لَوۡ اَعۡجَبَکُمۡ ؕ اُولٰٓئِکَ یَدۡعُوۡنَ اِلَی النَّارِ ۚۖ وَ اللّٰہُ یَدۡعُوۡۤا اِلَی الۡجَنَّۃِ وَ الۡمَغۡفِرَۃِ بِاِذۡنِہٖ ۚ وَ یُبَیِّنُ اٰیٰتِہٖ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّہُمۡ یَتَذَکَّرُوۡنَ
2:221 And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember.


Points to be taken into consideration from the above aayat:

- Do Not marry polytheistic men [in this case, remember its a clear order from God].
- And a believing slave is better than a polytheist [do you see the comparison?].
- Even though he might please be a wonder to you. [If you look at the Arabic word, it says "aajabakum" means "even though he might be a wonder to you", hope you know what wonder is, like seven wonders of the world].

- Those are the ones who invite you to the fire [do you have guts to take this risk?, remember! The Warner is Allah, our TheCreator, TheKnower of all].

- Allah made his aayaats clear for those who remember [ending of this aayat is reminding us to remember what is said]. 


If he agree to accept what you believe and become a believer [in God alone], then surely you can marry him. I suggest, don't give importance to a guy over the path of Allah. Just a suggestion, you can throw it away if you don't like.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
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6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
 
3:51    إن الله ربي وربكم فاعبدوه هذا صرط مستقيم
3:51    Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him,

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 12:38:43 AM »
You all seem to take it for granted heiwanakokorotos guy is a polytheist and that he thinks his religion is better than islam..........

Maybe he is agnostic, atheist or whatever........The truth is that only men have rulings to follow in the Quran as to what faith his wife must belong to.

http://aslanmedia.com/aslan-media-columns/ummah-wake-up/item/217-can-muslim-women-marry-non-muslim-men?-yes-we-can

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2012, 04:44:54 AM »
Emil, did you see 2:221?

Believers are forbidden TOTALLY to marry a.) mushriks (idolaters) and b.) kaffirs (rejectors). There is no exemption under any single circumstance whatsoever, male or female is totally irrelevant. If people wish to believe otherwise then they can take the pain. The sunni practice of allowing men to marry disbelieving women is clearly prohibited in the quran. Keeping in mind a 'kafir' is by definition an enemy to God. Does it make sense to marry your enemy?
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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2012, 06:35:07 AM »
You talk like a Sunni. Most people here are not Sunnis so don't expect a Sunni reply.

I do not see Islam as a religion. I see it more like a attitude towards Everything in life. Hence you can marry anyone whether he calls himself a Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew or whatever. Just make sure that he does good deeds, that he is a good human being who respect to others and you.

Please refer to surah Baqra 2:221 which states that you shall not marry a mushrik. In other words: if a "Muslim" boy is a mushrik you cannt marry him but if a Jewish boy isn't a mushrik you are free to Marry him.

Hope that helps. May god guide us all.

She is talking like a Sunni. She should see if this guy believes in God and is a person of good character and responsible enough to be commited. Not what religion he belongs to.
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 09:14:45 AM »
Emil, did you see 2:221?

Believers are forbidden TOTALLY to marry a.) mushriks (idolaters) and b.) kaffirs (rejectors). There is no exemption under any single circumstance whatsoever, male or female is totally irrelevant. If people wish to believe otherwise then they can take the pain. The sunni practice of allowing men to marry disbelieving women is clearly prohibited in the quran. Keeping in mind a 'kafir' is by definition an enemy to God. Does it make sense to marry your enemy?

2:221 only states Mushirks and the Sunnis only allow men to marry people of the book at 5:5 allows.

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 01:09:17 PM »
2:221 only states Mushirks and the Sunnis only allow men to marry people of the book at 5:5 allows.

Salaam,

5:5 اَلۡیَوۡمَ اُحِلَّ لَکُمُ الطَّیِّبٰتُ ؕ وَ طَعَامُ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ حِلٌّ لَّکُمۡ ۪ وَ طَعَامُکُمۡ حِلٌّ لَّہُمۡ ۫ وَ الۡمُحۡصَنٰتُ مِنَ الۡمُؤۡمِنٰتِ وَ الۡمُحۡصَنٰتُ مِنَ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِکُمۡ اِذَاۤ اٰتَیۡتُمُوۡہُنَّ اُجُوۡرَہُنَّ مُحۡصِنِیۡنَ غَیۡرَ مُسٰفِحِیۡنَ وَ لَا مُتَّخِذِیۡۤ اَخۡدَانٍ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّکۡفُرۡ بِالۡاِیۡمَانِ فَقَدۡ حَبِطَ عَمَلُہٗ ۫ وَ ہُوَ فِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ مِنَ الۡخٰسِرِیۡنَ
5:5  This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

Condition is "AlMuhsanaatu" [i.e., chase women] from believers and from those who were given AlKitaab before you.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
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6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
 
3:51    إن الله ربي وربكم فاعبدوه هذا صرط مستقيم
3:51    Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him,

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2012, 01:44:19 PM »
Emil, did you see 2:221?

Believers are forbidden TOTALLY to marry a.) mushriks (idolaters) and b.) kaffirs (rejectors). There is no exemption under any single circumstance whatsoever, male or female is totally irrelevant. If people wish to believe otherwise then they can take the pain. The sunni practice of allowing men to marry disbelieving women is clearly prohibited in the quran. Keeping in mind a 'kafir' is by definition an enemy to God. Does it make sense to marry your enemy?

Great, so the majority of people in this world are our enemies? This sort of rigid thinking among people of faith is the reason that people do not take religion/faith seriously anymore in many parts of the world.

The only reason I can think of having Muslims marry only muslims, is either to increase the number count of muslims or to keep citizens loyal to the specified Church - both of which are good measures to keep people under control. There are differences towards the definition and context given to the word Kafir.

Personally, I think it's perfectly fine to engage in a relation/marriage with an atheist/agnostic. Unlike religious people, they're less likely to inject fundamental or dogmatic ideas into their kids' heads and more likely to respect their children's choices when older unlike many religious people (for example, converting, pre martial relationships, praying etc)

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2012, 03:29:09 PM »
Salaam,

5:5 اَلۡیَوۡمَ اُحِلَّ لَکُمُ الطَّیِّبٰتُ ؕ وَ طَعَامُ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ حِلٌّ لَّکُمۡ ۪ وَ طَعَامُکُمۡ حِلٌّ لَّہُمۡ ۫ وَ الۡمُحۡصَنٰتُ مِنَ الۡمُؤۡمِنٰتِ وَ الۡمُحۡصَنٰتُ مِنَ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِکُمۡ اِذَاۤ اٰتَیۡتُمُوۡہُنَّ اُجُوۡرَہُنَّ مُحۡصِنِیۡنَ غَیۡرَ مُسٰفِحِیۡنَ وَ لَا مُتَّخِذِیۡۤ اَخۡدَانٍ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّکۡفُرۡ بِالۡاِیۡمَانِ فَقَدۡ حَبِطَ عَمَلُہٗ ۫ وَ ہُوَ فِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ مِنَ الۡخٰسِرِیۡنَ
5:5  This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

Condition is "AlMuhsanaatu" [i.e., chase women] from believers and from those who were given AlKitaab before you.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
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That is because the Quran forbids marrying an adulterer. The question is what defines a believer. Anyone who believes in God and the here after is a believer regardless of what religious community he belongs to. All monotheist are by definition believers.
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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Re: a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2012, 04:01:27 PM »

thank you so much to all of your feedbacks,,,i have learned a lot from it. I dont know if we have the word destiny in Quran but if it has...i know Allah will guide me onto the right guy by any means.

at least now i know that as long as he is a monotheist   it means that i can marry him, some of you guys are right Im from Sunni..here in the Philippines we are called Maranaos as our tribe and this problem that im currently experiencing is one of the must prohbited things in our cultural belief....

but i really appreciate your help :) thak you so much!!!