Are we going the wrong way ?

[truthsearcher]

Peace Magnus.

I also hapen to agree with Bigmo. Please read his post. Rituals are not the most important things in " Deen". Submission to the Creator is.

Peace.

Peace Good logic

Maybe rituals are not the most important things "in deen" but ritual are IMPORTANT. I know that the most important things are God alone, Quran alone, not killing etc, but come on... Rituals, marriage are our elements of good/bad life. And God sent Quran to make a good life for us. How can be our life good if we don't understand Quran words about elements of a good life ? Do you understand that we are missing the point ? According to Quran there is only one truth - only one way of good life. Yes we can commit pornography or fornication and we can say we are happy and we have a good life. But for God this is not good life. Every possible path is wrong except the right path and the right path is written in Quran. Thats all

[scaredmuslimah]

Peace Good logic

Maybe rituals are not the most important things "in deen" but ritual are IMPORTANT. I know that the most important things are God alone, Quran alone, not killing etc, but come on... Rituals, marriage are our elements of good/bad life. And God sent Quran to make a good life for us. How can be our life good if we don't understand Quran words about elements of a good life ? Do you understand that we are missing the point ? According to Quran there is only one truth - only one way of good life. Yes we can commit pornography or fornication and we can say we are happy and we have a good life. But for God this is not good life. Every possible path is wrong except the right path and the right path is written in Quran. Thats all

Salaam,

You have a point.  There ARE rituals that we perform...wudhu being the one that stands out most in my mind.  We clean before every prayer.  So we can't say that they ALL are unimportant.

Amina

[truthsearcher]

I have read Bigmo's post, but I'm not necessarily talking about rituals though. As you yourself pointed out, submission to the Creator is central. Anyone who falsely make things up about the Lord, or perpetuates lies others have made up about Him(*), is surely in error and not in submission to the expressed will of Allah at all, despite all claims to the contrary.

(* or His prescribed deen, or His books, prophets, messengers etc...)

Peace Magnus

I totally agree with you

[truthsearcher]

Salaam,

You have a point.  There ARE rituals that we perform...wudhu being the one that stands out most in my mind.  We clean before every prayer.  So we can't say that they ALL are unimportant.

Amina

Peace scaredmuslimah

If you check Good logic point you'll figure out that in Quran are unimportant things. This is wrong. Every word is important and every word which describe rituals like salat, marriage etc is supposed to be easy to understand.

[scaredmuslimah]

Peace scaredmuslimah

If you check Good logic point you'll figure out that in Quran are unimportant things. This is wrong. Every word is important and every word which describe rituals like salat, marriage etc is supposed to be easy to understand.

I see now.  Hmmm....

[Magnus]

Every word is important and every word which describe rituals like salat, marriage etc is supposed to be easy to understand.

I believe my failings in understanding the Quran stems from my diseased heart, me not being pure enough, rather than the Book somehow being at fault. Have you ever considered this possibility for yourself?

[truthsearcher]

I believe my failings in understanding the Quran stems from my diseased heart, me not being pure enough, rather than the Book somehow being at fault. Have you ever considered this possibility for yourself?

Read my answer http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604192.10  reply nr 10. Is that your point ?

[good logic]

Peace all

Can I just clear the misunderstanding.

I said there are more important things than rituals. I did not say rituals are unimportant.

Thank you.
Peace.

[Magnus]

Read my answer http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604192.10  reply nr 10. Is that your point ?

I think so. Now, equipped with the insight of our own failings and inability to understand the Book fully, the only obviously fruitful course open to those of us who seek Truth is that of personal purification/submission. Those who fail to see this will speculate instead.

(I have from personal experience come to the conclusion that I cannot force any understanding I am not ready for, and that my Maker guides me towards the Truth (Him!) only when I deserve it, completely as He wills. I think this is true for everybody, and I think Scripture confirms this.
Patience with what we do not yet understand is essential to people like us. Patience combined with humility brings increased clarity eventually, provided we keep making the effort to purify ourselves.)

[GODsubmitter]

I think so. Now, equipped with the insight of our own failings and inability to understand the Book fully, the only obviously fruitful course open to those of us who seek Truth is that of personal purification/submission. Those who fail to see this will speculate instead.

(I have from personal experience come to the conclusion that I cannot force any understanding I am not ready for, and that my Maker guides me towards the Truth (Him!) only when I deserve it, completely as He wills. I think this is true for everybody, and I think Scripture confirms this.
Patience with what we do not yet understand is essential to people like us. Patience combined with humility brings increased clarity eventually, provided we keep making the effort to purify ourselves.)

But that is valid for any difficult book, for example dense Schopenhauer's work, one understands it accordingly to his knowledge and preparation...
Spiritual guidance, or Book of Instructions for living according to God's Law, on the other hand, should be clear and easy to understand and follow! If it is from God... like the Ten Commandments.