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Patanahi

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Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« on: July 28, 2012, 11:12:47 PM »

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Re: Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 11:41:37 PM »
I don't think this is the case of "Buddhist MONKS" burning other people kind of thing..

This is the case of Mob-and-Leader-Dressed-As-Monks-Paid-By-Military-To-Create-Some-Noise-By-Burning-And-Killing-People-To-Show-How-Importance-Security-And-The-Military-Is-Because-They're-Losing-Power-At-The-Moment kind of thing... It's the case of "If WE don't rule then there will be chaos".. kind of thing..

Saw it in Egypt, Iraq, Indonesia and other places  before.. when the 'Military caste' start to lost their grip on power..

And what's the blame to Dalai Lama??  :rotfl: :rotfl:
In Buddhism unlike in Catholicism, there are no 'structure'.... Dalai Lama is not the "Leader of all Buddhist"...
Dalai Lama is a politician.. trying to gain freedom for his own country (Tibet)..
He has HUGE problem on his own... Myanmar will be on the back of his mind.. definitely...

Back to the main topic..
The "Buddhist Monks" is also the victim of Myanmar military junta's brutality..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/massacre-of-the-monks-in-burma/story-e6frf7lo-1111114546916

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Re: Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 08:22:01 PM »
Salaam,

Jafar, the violence was not orchestrated because the military was losing grip of power. In fact, the Rohingya community started being discriminated when the military assumed power following the coup in 1962 by General Ne Win. While conflicts between the Rohingyas and Buddhist Burmese existed  long before the coup, they were still recognized as citizens. After the coup, a Citenzhip Act was introduced which basically denied citizenship because Rohingyas were considered as resident foreigners who mostly came from Bangladesh. In addition to that, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state, and hence views the Muslim Rohingyas to be an obstacle to that objective. Basically it is not something new. The Rohingyas have suffered discrimination for decades, and they are stateless community. Burma expels them, Bangladesh rejects them, Thailand and Malaysia torture and abuse them. It is not of a recent political phenomena, but rather, a conflict rooted in Burmese nationalism and self determination that has gone on for decades.

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 02:53:23 AM »
Salaam Brothers and Sisters,
I spent some time in Burma (as it was) and still have friends there! I am a former Buddhist Monk as well.
I have found two disturbing patterns of behaviour in the so called Muslims. When Muslims commit crimes or atrocities they should not be called Muslims. When Muslims have atrocities done to them it is by particular religions (not individuals) and it is because they are Muslim.
Double standards?
The Rohingya have made it very difficult for poor Burmese living side by side with them, they have also had a number of criminal gangs creating real havoc. They have made demands of the Government that would give them quite a bit of autonomy and land. This has caused numerous tensions with the indigenous poor farmers as you can imagine.
This is not about Muslims or Buddhists it is about land and power!
Whoever makes it a religious problem does a great disservice to both sides!  :hail

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 03:18:41 AM »
Salaam Muddy,

I do realise that the Rohingya conflict is not solely due to their being Muslims, it is also due to their differing identity. However, unless I am gravely mistaken, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state and hence, Rohingyas are perceived to be a threat to the Buddhist self-determination. It resembles Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where both race and religion play an important role in the conflict.

Yes, Rohingyas have wanted for an autonomous land, but they are pretty much powerless because they have not had the resources to put up a significant level of resistance and the media has not given much attention to their plight. If your life has been oppressed, should you not at least put up a resistance? The Rohingyas live in deplorable conditions for decades, and pretty much forgotten by the world. They want their own autonomy because Burma does not even recognise them as citizens, and imposes strict measures that strip off their freedom. Do you expect them to sit quietly?








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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 03:31:49 AM »
Peace All.

God is always on the side of the oppressed whoever they may be!  HE knows who deserves HIS support.

GOD is the one who is in control!:

" HE gives power to whom HE wants, takes away power from whom HE wants, Exhaults whom HE wants...."

He tests us  according to HIS knowledge.

Those who show patience and strive for HIS cause, will get HIS help.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 03:46:58 AM »
Salaam BornAgain,

I am not suggesting that the Rohingyas do not have real grievances, as do the poor Burmese who live impoverished, oppressed lives under government rule.
I am trying to show that it is not about Buddhist or Muslim these are incidentals in this case.
It is not about ethnicity or religion but poverty and lack of power.
The perception of those with a vested interest in staying in control of land, money and power (those with all these) will use incidentals like Religious affiliations to control and divide those who may oppose them.
By shouting divisive slogans and apportioning blame to anyone but the government is playing the loaded game on their terms.
Whether the Government like to call themselves Buddhist or not means very little as it would if they called themselves Muslim. Both would clearly be lies!
Certain (so called Muslims) are putting out mis-information regarding this issue including (I have seen these) alleged pictures of monks killing Muslims. Many of these are fakes taken in other countries (one from the Chinese earth quakes when Buddhist Tibetan monks are helping clear bodies and look for survivors) and claiming it as proof of Buddhist atrocities :brickwall:
The problem with these issues is that people play out their own problems through the medium of others problems and by so doing add more misunderstanding and enmity to the world.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 11:30:54 AM »
However, unless I am gravely mistaken, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state

If "Burma" is "Common Burmese" (and not the generals / politicians) You are gravely mistaken...

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and hence, Rohingyas are perceived to be a threat to the Buddhist self-determination. It resembles Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where both race and religion play an important role in the conflict.
Rohingyas are indeed Bangladeshi by origin... 

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The Rohingyas live in deplorable conditions for decades, and pretty much forgotten by the world. They want their own autonomy because Burma does not even recognise them as citizens, and imposes strict measures that strip off their freedom. Do you expect them to sit quietly?

And so does Burmese Christians, Burmese Buddhist (Who dare to fight the corrupted regime) and millions of other Burmese....
Like I said before: the true evil here is "The Myanmar Military Junta".. and not "The Buddhist" let alone "The Buddhist Monks"..

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 11:39:43 AM »
Jafar,
Thank you for a balanced post :bravo:


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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:54:29 AM »
Salaam Jafar,

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If "Burma" is "Common Burmese" (and not the generals / politicians) You are gravely mistaken...

I said "Burma", not Burmese. It means the government currently in power.  I have always distinguished between a country and its people.

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Rohingyas are indeed Bangladeshi by origin... 

So?

And that justify their being oppressed? If that's the case, let's send Americans, Australians, etc etc to their country of origin.

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And so does Burmese Christians, Burmese Buddhist (Who dare to fight the corrupted regime) and millions of other Burmese....

True. But even after there are some human rights movement in Burma, people are silent about the Rohingyas. Heck, even Suu Kyi has been silent and dodging the question when asked about the issue.

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Like I said before: the true evil here is "The Myanmar Military Junta".. and not "The Buddhist" let alone "The Buddhist Monks"..

Yes. But the conflict did not escalate when the military started losing power, it was after they ASSUMED power.
Those who are oppressed include those who were born there, as well as their parents and so on. They were denied citizenship because of both their ethnic and religion.