Author Topic: Do angels have free will?  (Read 462 times)

DaresBears

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Do angels have free will?
« on: July 27, 2012, 06:47:03 AM »
It's often taken simply as a fact that angels do not have free will and do exactly what God asks. But I'm wondering, does the Qur'an actually say this? I've looked but failed to find it, maybe i have not looked hard enough.

It also leads on to the issue of Satan, it's debated whether he was Angel or Jinn, but if angels do have free will, Satan could have easily been an Angel.

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 08:26:34 AM »
Satan could have easily been an Angel.

Pickthall Translation
18:50 - And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers.

Sahih International
18:50 - And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

This verse seems to disagree. It also implies the free will situation -- it is mentioned he is a jinn because only a jinn could disobey a direct command. It also implies that he willingly submitted for a time, until he heard the one command he was unwilling to comply with (to prostrate to Adam.)

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 09:07:38 AM »
Pickthall Translation
18:50 - And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers.

Sahih International
18:50 - And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

This verse seems to disagree. It also implies the free will situation -- it is mentioned he is a jinn because only a jinn could disobey a direct command. It also implies that he willingly submitted for a time, until he heard the one command he was unwilling to comply with (to prostrate to Adam.)

Other translations say things like "He became a Jinn" so I'm so sure which to believe, theres a thread about it right now. I'm more interested in the free will of Angels though.
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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 09:34:21 AM »
I think that we can never 100% know the truth about it
So here is what we have:

Translated by Yusuf Ali

And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. 2:34

And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord) 16:49
They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded. 16:50

Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! 18:50

And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. 15:27

The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them 4:145
Except for those who repent, mend (their lives) hold fast to Allah, and purify their religion as in Allah's sight: if so they will be (numbered) with the believers. And soon will Allah grant to the believers a reward of immense value. 4:146
   
Verily Man is in loss,    103:2
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy. 103:3

Translated bu Shakir

Say: O Allah, Master of the Kingdom! Thou givest the kingdom to whomsoever Thou pleasest and takest away the kingdom from whomsoever Thou pleasest, and Thou exaltest whom Thou pleasest and abasest whom Thou pleasest in Thine hand is the good; surety, Thou hast power over all things. 3:26

a) Angels have no free will and jinn is not one of the angels
b) Angels have no free will except jinn. He is one "race" of angels with free will
c) Angel is a just a tittle (kingdom) who is given to a special being who obey 100% God and when Angel doesn't obey God, tittle is taken away by God

 As I know the nature of angels directly is not mention in Quran. Maybe according to "b option" it is not mention directly in Quran because jinn=angel and angel=fire

  So what do you think which one could be the correct one. Is there any other option that I have forgotten to mention.
 
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