Don't Judge Too Quickly

[Jafar]

It is their good right to dress as they feel right, just as it is my right to dress as I feel right. It is the elevation of hijab to the altars, the sacralisation of hijab as something holy and an intrinsic value of islam what disgusts me,

Well said..

Women are that, they must always do something extra to obtain their entitlemente to humanity and its privileges -some of them, never all, since the ground of each thing will always be disputed inch by inch as in a non declared war-. Among muslims it is the Holy Hijab, amongst other people it is the imposition of beauty or attractiveness on women, as if it was their duty, not so much to please, as to exert themselves in order to please, their tribute.
The hijab is  weapon of this and as such for me it becomes more and more devilish, a terrible deviation and an instrument of tyrany.

So does Louise Vuitton, Dolce&Gabbana, Versace and co..
And we, men need to pay for it....

Salam / Peace

[scaredmuslimah]

I am not sure if you are aware that this is a Quranist forum. Dubai is a Sunni country and their laws are based on Sunni Islam laws. This forum is about a different understanding of Islam. Most Sunnis probably would not consider most here as Muslims. I am not sure what you are getting at.

I think she is right on target...she is pointing out how she is treated differently because she doesn't cover or doesn't look like the "traditional" Muslimah.  That's not fair at all, especially according to the teachings of the Qu'ran (as we now know there is no order to cover our hair). 

I fear this as well...what will I be treated like if I stop covering?  Will I be waited on at the local halal butcher shop?  Will I still be allowed to pray at the masjid? Will I be publicly chastised for not following what is (now) very clearly a hadith based teaching? 

She is clearly talking about the discrimination one receives for not following the flock.  As Qu'ranists , isn't that what we have done...stopped following the flock? 

Peace,

Amina

[huruf]

Definitely there is something to pay for not following the flock. The positive thing about it is that what you have to pay for following it is always much higher.

It is far less stressful on oneself to be uncomfortable for not following the flock when one does not agree with it than following it when the heart is not there. To oppose other people way of thinking one has to be cautious and careful, to oppose oneself, one's own inner conviction, one must hate oneself and and truth, or be very much afraid.

Salaam

[Indelwyn]

I cover, but these are excellent points said by huruf.

I see what she mentions, I see the other side too. Women no matter what we do this is a man's world. They use us to sell merchandise and be sex toys. They use us to be under their control. the make us out to be dumb, deaf and blind. You will see it in EVERY society. That is the real sickness. She is so right some way or another we are never enough being just us.

ScaredMuslimah. Just a tip of advice. NEVER EVER EVER try to pray at the Masjid without covering. OMG, you will be tackled by a mob of women saying IstagfirAllah and throwing a khimar or some other wrap around you. Don't even ask how I know I do the QUranic Wudu and no one says anything to me, I get looks but they are too shy, let them think I am stupid, really don't care, but the covering for prayer... TRUST ME. Love you too much to see you tackled...lol.

I find the Hijab as a way for men to not call responsibility to themselves. I have seen sisters remover their hijab and their spouses FREAK out. They become even more insecure, wondering what is she doing, where is she going. I am so glad my hubby was not like that, but it is really sad.

The value placed on one who wears hijab in Islam is the same value as virginity. It makes us divorcees feel really low and unworthy. They all will quote that hadith where the Prophet tells a man who married a widow or divorcee (don't remember which) Why did you marry her and not a Virgin? A virgin, so you can play with her and she can then play with you. (almost puked when I read that!). You combined that with the Aisha being 9 at consummation and it is so disgusting.

Jafar, how are you paying for it? Are you the one being degraded and made to be told from a young age that your value is according to your sex appeal to men? Just curious. Unless you mean you get stuck having to buy these items for the expensive taste your your lovely lady If so, I can then agree.

[Jafar]

Just curious. Unless you mean you get stuck having to buy these items for the expensive taste your your lovely lady If so, I can then agree.

Come on.. admit it..
Women loves to brag to their friends, neighbors whatever.. on shoes, bags, clothes etc...
So it's not 'purely' because 'men ask them to do it'...

Hijab and LV are within the same domain... FASHION...
Those who wear 'hijab' are deemed 'higher' in social status on some society, while on other society it is those who have "LV", and women generally loves this 'status' + 'the attention'...

Salam / Peace

[scaredmuslimah]

Come on.. admit it..
Women loves to brag to their friends, neighbors whatever.. on shoes, bags, clothes etc...
So it's not 'purely' because 'men ask them to do it'...

Hijab and LV are within the same domain... FASHION...
Those who wear 'hijab' are deemed 'higher' in social status on some society, while on other society it is those who have "LV", and women generally loves this 'status' + 'the attention'...

Salam / Peace

For some it is, you are right!  Just watch the plethora of YouTube videos of women doing fancy versions of hijab...matching it to their clothes, adding sparkly pins, wearing ones with LV or Coach markings on them...hijab has become an accessory!

I thank God that I was never the kind of woman to like name brands...if it's affordable that's all that matters.  Some of the best shoes I have ever owned cost less than $50.00. 

Peace,

Amina

[Indelwyn]

I can be honest. I hate shoes and bags all that crap. I would never buy jeans over 25.00! I shop alot at second hand. Maybe because i was like a tomboy, but i can't stand all that mindless chat on fashion. You will never catch me watching Kim kardasian shows. Ugh. You can take pride in yourself without the drama.

[huruf]

Come on.. admit it..
Women loves to brag to their friends, neighbors whatever.. on shoes, bags, clothes etc...
So it's not 'purely' because 'men ask them to do it'...

Hijab and LV are within the same domain... FASHION...
Those who wear 'hijab' are deemed 'higher' in social status on some society, while on other society it is those who have "LV", and women generally loves this 'status' + 'the attention'...

Salam / Peace

Your comment comes thorugh to me as a typical topical esteretype of women in silly magazines.

I suppose there may be that kind of woman-product to some extent in the whole planet, but for most women who work hard and do not get much in exchange it really sounds like injury after insult.

That is all I can see in the world: milions upon millions of women swiming in those things you mention and oh so many men panting after them eager to spend their money on them just for the heck of it.

Salaam

[scaredmuslimah]

I can be honest. I hate shoes and bags all that crap. I would never buy jeans over 25.00! I shop alot at second hand. Maybe because i was like a tomboy, but i can't stand all that mindless chat on fashion. You will never catch me watching Kim kardasian shows. Ugh. You can take pride in yourself without the drama.

Just one more comment...not going to "thread-jack"...

It's pointless, isn't it?  Like these I-Phones...every year they come out with a new one, so countless amounts of money wasted every year to be trendy. 

An ex-friend of mine (I have lost some due to my conversion to Islam) used to quote his grandmother:  "You won't ever see a U-Haul behind a hearse." 

Basically, we can't take it with us, and it isn't going to going to get us into Paradise, so why try so hard to obtain it in this life?

Peace,

Amina

[Jafar]

Your comment comes thorugh to me as a typical topical esteretype of women in silly magazines.

I suppose there may be that kind of woman-product to some extent in the whole planet, but for most women who work hard and do not get much in exchange it really sounds like injury after insult.

That is all I can see in the world: milions upon millions of women swiming in those things you mention and oh so many men panting after them eager to spend their money on them just for the heck of it.

Salaam

Not only women but men as well...
The thing is: Hijab IS Fashion... period.. and so does other kind of dresses.. and accessories..
We shouldn't make too much fuss about it... let alone judge anyone by the way they dress themselves..

It's ok to wear hijab as it's ok to wear LV.. and it's ok not to wear hijab as it's ok not to wear LV...

Salam / Peace