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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #790 on: November 12, 2022, 12:41:39 PM »
First thing is to know how to read a book.

no, you embarrassed yourself and confused two with nine
before alphabet, we need to learn numbers boys and girls

4:176  ithnatayni (two females!) NOT nine!

you avoid answering? open book, call friend, google?
what’s the issue, you cannot solve a basic question?

? sisters (2+)
? mother (variable, no father)
OR
? father (same as to mother)


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #791 on: November 12, 2022, 01:19:17 PM »
no, you embarrassed yourself and confused two with nine
before alphabet, we need to learn numbers boys and girls

4:176  ithnatayni (two females!) NOT nine!

you avoid answering? open book, call friend, google?
what’s the issue, you cannot solve a basic question?

? sisters (2+)
? mother (variable, no father)
OR

? father (same as to mother)

The point has earlier been told and settled about two females or more their share is 2/3. There was no need of mentioning separately for 3 feminine, 4 feminine, five feminine, six feminine or 7 to-----numbers. You are just trying to play games.

What is "variable" and where is this word in the whole of inheritance Ayahs?

Do you think it is NOT part of instructions on inheritance to keep repeating figure gimmics?

 
The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near-Relatives in accordance with the prevalent well known norms has been prescribed-decreed upon you people. This Oral Bequest is to be bequeathed at the point in time when natural death has approached someone of you if he is leaving behind worldly wealth —

The Oral Bequest is mandatory-incumbent upon those who sincerely endeavour to attain salvation. [2:180]

You also purposely keep your eyes closed to see this laid down rule:


Know it: Our Majesty have declared kinsfolk, siblings and under-patronage persons; in order of relative nearness, as heirs for every deceased out of that heritage which the Parents (Mother and Father) and the Nearer-Relatives have left behind.

Plural noun means minimum three have stakes in the inheritance for every deceased.

Please my advise is first learn reading Arabic text.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #792 on: November 12, 2022, 01:56:11 PM »
The point has earlier been told and settled about two females or more their share is 2/3. There was no need of mentioning separately for 3 feminine, 4 feminine, five feminine, six feminine or 7 to-----numbers. You are just trying to play games.

Where it says OR MORE for sisters in 4:176?
You continue to lie!



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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #793 on: November 12, 2022, 02:20:43 PM »
Where it says OR MORE for sisters in 4:176?
You continue to lie!

You missed "earlier"



 فَوْقَ ٱثْنَتَيْـنِ:  It is a Possessive Phrase. First noun, Adverb of place, is in accusative case and relates to elided adjectival specification of preceding indefinite plural noun-women. It is functioning as adverb phrase in the sentence. Adverbs of place tell us where something happens. They are usually placed after the main verb or after the clause that they modify. Adverbs of place do not modify adjectives or other adverbs.
Thus the predicate: نِسَآءٙ فَوْقَ ٱثْنَتَيْـنِ means that if instead of the aforementioned case of two females in combination with a male, the offspring of you people have become three or more women (daughters)-----the apodosis clause will:


ثُلُثَا مَا: It is a Possessive Phrase. First noun is definite by construct with definite Relative Pronoun: مَا, in genitive case. dual in nominate case with its Noon dropped for construct. Originally it is: ثُلُثانِ, a fraction noun: nominator 2 of denominator 3 meaning two-thirds of some quantity. It is the subject of sentence.

 تَرَكَ : This verbal sentence is the Linkage clause for preceding Relative Pronoun comprising of verb-hidden subject referent to deceased parent and object is elided being obviously understood: heritage. Thus the Subject part of the sentence means "the two-thirds of that (heritage) which he (the parent) has left". This is the simplest way of dividing the denominator-whole heritage into three equal parts; its two parts are allocated to offspring.

45. Therefore, despite the superb succinctness, it is clear that the allocation for females, weather, they are two or more, will be two-thirds of the heritage. A similar situation in respect of siblings is mentioned in Ayah 4:176 where the structuring of sentences is converse to that which are here in 4:11. A comparison will help perceive the meanings quite vividly:

اللہ تعالیٰ تم لوگوں(بنی نوع انسان) کو  تمہاری اولاد کے مابین ترکے کی تقسیم کے متعلق وصیت/پابند کررہے ہیں اورہمیشہ کے لئے پابند کر دیا ہے؛بحثیت فرد اور معاشرہ:

لِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ ٱلۡأُنْثَيَيْـنِۚ

The equivalent of the allocation for the two female present in your progeny shall become the comparable measure - commensurate (مَثيلُ-مُمَاثِل) as privilege for the male in your genetic children.

تمہاری اولاد میں  موجوددو مؤنث جنس رکھنے والی  کے حصے میں  آنے والی مقدار کے مماثل  اولاد میں موجود مذکر جنس رکھنےوالے کا استحقاق مقرر کیا جاتا ہے(مؤنث،مذکر کے استعمال سے بن کہے اولاد میں مخنث شامل ہے)۔

فَإِن كُنَّ نِسَآءٙ فَوْقَ ٱثْنَتَيْـنِ فَلَـهُنَّ ثُلُثَا مَا تَرَكَۖ

Thereby, instead of a male co-sharer, if they (children) were womenfolk (three or more) who become above the place of two females referred to above, thereat, two-thirds of that which he (the deceased parent) has left, shall be the allocation for collective sharing by them (offspring).

اس اصول تقسیم کے پیش نطر اگر وہ(اولاد بجائے  مذکر کی شمولیت کے)عورتوں پر مشتمل ہے جو بیان کردہ دو مؤنث سے اوپر کے مقام پر ہو جاتی ہیں تو بھی ان کے  مابین تقسیم کےلئے  اس ترکے کے دو تہائی پر استحقاق ہے جو مرحوم نے چھوڑا

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فَإِن كَانَتَا ٱثْنَتَيْـنِ فَلَهُمَا ٱلثُّلُثَانِ مِمَّا تَرَكَۚ

However, if there were two surviving Sisters, thereat, two-thirds of that which he (the deceased man who was all by himself) has left shall be allocated to them.

مگر اگر وہ سوگواران دو بہنیں ہیں/دو بھائی ہیں تو اس صورت میں ان کا استحقاق اس ترکے کا دو تہائی ہے جو مرحوم چھوڑ گیا ہے۔

وَإِن كَانُوٓا۟ إِخْوَةٙ رِّجَالٙا وَنِسَآءٙ فَلِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ ٱلۡأُنثَيَيْـنِۗ

And if they were siblings, comprising men and women, thereat, the two-thirds allocation shall be subdivided on the principle that equivalent of the amount accruing to the surviving two females shall be the sum allocated for the male.

اور اگر وہ سوگواران والد سگے بھائی بہن مردوں اور عورتوں پر مشتمل ہیں تو  ان کے مابین  دو تہائی ترکے کی تقسیم کا اصول یہ ہے:دو مؤنث جنس رکھنے والی موجود کے حصے میں  آنے والی مقدار کے مماثل  اولاد میں ایک مذکر جنس رکھنےوالے کا استحقاق مقرر کیا جاتا ہے

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I reiterate please devote sometime trying learning how to first understand the type of sentence by structure and meaning. 

You have not mentioned from where you got "variable" phenomenon?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #794 on: November 12, 2022, 03:53:10 PM »
you are mixing verses posting absurdities!

4:11 2/3 is case 3+ daughters NOT sisters!
you cannot combine siblings and children!

try husband, mother, 3 daughters, 3 sisters
we know you won’t answer! and you cannot!

examples of variable
1/6 parent 5/6 son/s (variable)

1/3 sisters 2/3 parent (variable)

1/8 wife 7/8 daughter/s (variable)

1/2 husband 1/2 parent (variable)


https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #795 on: November 12, 2022, 08:16:51 PM »
Inheritance according to injunctions in Grand Qur’ān

The law of inheritance prescribed for Mankind and made obligatory upon the Believers is based upon the Testate succession and the Mandatory allocations. It is made incumbent upon the believers to make a bequeath in favour of their parents and relatively near relatives. A detailed procedure is laid down for bequeathing and for its verification after the death of concerned person. It can be modified in case there is patent tilt or injustice in the bequeath.

25. Grand Qur’ān is for entire humanity in time line; for men of ordinary prudence, as well for scholars and intelligentsia. Therefore, all its injunctions regarding conduct and relationships need necessarily be simple and understandable for majority, who understand simple mathematics but not advanced calculators and algebra etc. Therefore, we need not act like Diophantus, Hero of Alexandria, or al-Khwârizmî to understand the injunctions given in the Qur’ān about division and distribution of inheritance since it is mentioned succinctly and explicitly in simple terms. The old simple method of dividing the divisible/allocated wealth into equal shares is adopted which is in modern times as one of the equal parts into which a company's capital is divided. The legal stakeholders for whom Allah the Exalted has apportioned mandatory shares in inheritance are the following:

       (a) Biological children of the deceased parents;

       (b) Parents of the deceased son;

        (c) Spouses of the deceased;

       (3) Siblings; brothers and sisters of the deceased.

Other blood relatives like grand offspring and adopted or under patronage collateral child-person are not allocated any share by Allah the Exalted but it is left to the discretion of the person to bequeath for them in his wealth.


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #796 on: November 12, 2022, 08:48:48 PM »
Division of Inheritance According to Quran
Halis Aydemir

Rather More sensible analysis than https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

https://www.academia.edu/10906567/Division_of_Inheritance_According_to_Quran


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #797 on: November 13, 2022, 12:37:44 AM »
Division of Inheritance According to Quran
Halis Aydemir


https://www.academia.edu/10906567/Division_of_Inheritance_According_to_Quran

why you post link by someone you have not read?
has walad (child!) uses hadith contradicts hadith!
and he mostly rants and disagrees with your stuff!

he has this one correct by "accident" messes up math at end (you'll need to read it)

Example I
Supposing that, the deceased has got three daughters, parents and three siblings left.
In this case, two-thirds of the property left by the deceased belongs directly to daughters.
One-sixth of the remaining property belongs to mother of the deceased and one sixth belongs to the father of the deceased. In this case, there is no share for siblings.

Example III
Supposing that, the deceased has got only one daughter left. No parents, no spouses.
In such a case, half of the property left by the deceased belongs to the daughter.
As there is no heirs of shares, half of the heritage will be left over.


who gets remaining 1/2? his faculty/tribe nineteen morons!  تِسْعةَ عَشرَ بليداً

https://sunnah.com/bulugh/7/223
Narrated Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas (RA):
I said, "O Allah's Messenger, I have wealth and no one to inherit from me except my one daughter. Shall I give two-thirds of my property as Sadaqah?" He replied, "No." I said, "Shall I give half of it as Sadaqah?" He replied, "No." I said, "Shall I give a third of it as Sadaqah?" He replied, "You may give a third as Sadaqah, which is still a lot. To leave your heirs rich is better than to leave them poor and begging from people." [Agreed upon].

you still owe us an answer this case, go ask Halis?  :laugh:

husband, mother, 3 daughters, 3 sisters
we know you won’t answer! and you cannot!

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 23, 2022, 06:42:39 AM

https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance



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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #798 on: November 13, 2022, 02:44:12 AM »
why you post link by someone you have not read?
has walad (child!) uses hadith contradicts hadith!
and he mostly rants and disagrees with your stuff!

he has this one correct by "accident" messes up math at end (you'll need to read it)

Example I
Supposing that, the deceased has got three daughters, parents and three siblings left.
In this case, two-thirds of the property left by the deceased belongs directly to daughters.
One-sixth of the remaining property belongs to mother of the deceased and one sixth belongs to the father of the deceased. In this case, there is no share for siblings.

Example III
Supposing that, the deceased has got only one daughter left. No parents, no spouses.
In such a case, half of the property left by the deceased belongs to the daughter.
As there is no heirs of shares, half of the heritage will be left over.


who gets remaining 1/2? his faculty/tribe nineteen morons!  تِسْعةَ عَشرَ بليداً

https://sunnah.com/bulugh/7/223
Narrated Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas (RA):
I said, "O Allah's Messenger, I have wealth and no one to inherit from me except my one daughter. Shall I give two-thirds of my property as Sadaqah?" He replied, "No." I said, "Shall I give half of it as Sadaqah?" He replied, "No." I said, "Shall I give a third of it as Sadaqah?" He replied, "You may give a third as Sadaqah, which is still a lot. To leave your heirs rich is better than to leave them poor and begging from people." [Agreed upon].

you still owe us an answer this case, go ask Halis?  :laugh:

husband, mother, 3 daughters, 3 sisters
we know you won’t answer! and you cannot!

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 23, 2022, 06:42:39 AM

https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

His and yours are just calculations away from the text.

Like
Supposing that, the deceased has got three daughters, parents and three siblings left.
In this case, two-thirds of the property left by the deceased belongs directly to daughters.
One-sixth of the remaining property belongs to mother of the deceased and one sixth belongs to the father of the deceased. In this case, there is no share for siblings.

2/3 is allocation for the daughters by Allah swt.

Rest according to bequest under 2:180 for parents and siblings (nearones)

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #799 on: November 13, 2022, 10:45:31 AM »
2/3 is allocation for the daughters by Allah swt.

Rest according to bequest under 2:180 for parents and siblings (nearones)

no bequests if the Almighty strikes you dead for lying!
you keep spamming the thread embarrassing yourself!

you can't answer simple cases like parent daughter/s!
you do not know difference between two and three!

use hadith: you'll get wife 1/8 (if walad) correct
the rest is wrong like you to steal from orphans!  >:D

here is Jabir bin ‘Abdullah again, he never died?  :hmm

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:2097

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:2096

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:2092
Jabir bin 'Abdullah said:
"The wife of Sa'd bin Ar-Rabi came with her two daughters from Sa'd to he Messenger of Allah(S.A.W)and said; O Messenger of Allah(S.A.W)! these two are daughters of Sa'd bin Ar-Rabi who fought along with you on the day of Uhud and was martyred. Their uncle took their wealth, without leaving any wealth for them, and they will not be married unless they have wealth.' He said: 'Allah will decide on that matter.' The ayah about inheritance was revealed, so the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) sent (word) to their Uncle saying: Give the two daughters of Sa'd two thirds, and give their mother one eighth, and whatever remains, then it is for you.'


^^^ unbelievable how clueless this place has become
no wonder some of the other posters have departed

https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

peace and good bye!