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Noon waalqalami

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #150 on: July 29, 2012, 09:06:47 AM »

You keep spamming the forum with same link to stupid book by the clueless.

Have you noticed what was not mentioned or prescribed in 4:11 and 4:12 which could also be a ground reality, leaving a question for the listeners to enquire about it?

The verses are clear instructions to be applied in the real world and when someone asks to show them, it does little to answer with questions and perpetual expounding -- simply show distributions; it's not complex.

4:176 يستفتونك they seek your ruling قل say الله The God يفتيكم gives you a ruling في in الكلالة al-kalalah إن if امرؤ person هلك died ليس is not له to person ولد child/born...

No children; we know only inheritors to enter the verse are mother and siblings. Therefore...

1 sister, mother: 1 - 1/2 sister = 1/2 mother
2 sisters, mother: 1 - 2/3 sisters, 1/3 each = 1/3 mother
3+ sisters, mother: unstated distribute evenly

1+ sisters, 1+ brothers: 2:1 ratio male to female

mother, 1+ brothers: 1 - 1/6 mother = 5/6 brothers

mother, 1+ sisters, 1+ brothers: 1 - 1/6 mother = 5/6 siblings 2:1 ratio male to female

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #151 on: July 29, 2012, 10:53:18 AM »
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في in الكلالة al-kalalah

What does it mean?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #152 on: July 29, 2012, 11:09:11 AM »

What does it mean?

Deceased left no crown/head of house 4:176 الكلالة al-kalālah is father-less spouse-less.

Mathematical proof:
1 = father (variable) + siblings mixed 2:1 ratio male to female
1 = y + 2x + x
1 = y + 3x (no solution without involving negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))

1/2 sister   + 1/4 wife = 3/4 to little
2/3 sisters + 1/2 husband = 1 + 1/6 too much

Likewise more contradictions with other computations with siblings and father/spouse.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #153 on: July 29, 2012, 12:09:00 PM »
Deceased left no crown/head of house 4:176 الكلالة al-kalālah is father-less spouse-less.

I infer from above---is it correct

You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

And spouse-less, you mean his/her spouse is not surviving at the time of his/her death.

What about a son? He be having a surviving son or might have died without a son.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #154 on: July 29, 2012, 12:52:57 PM »
I infer from above---is it correct

You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

Correct, deceased did not have a father.
Mother may be alive since  4:11 IF إخوة ikh'wat mother =1/6

And spouse-less, you mean his/her spouse is not surviving at the time of his/her death.

Correct, deceased did not have a spouse.

What about a son? He be having a surviving son or might have died without a son.

Of course there is the possibility of kalalah with son/child otherwise no need to state if not to person child if kalalah is childless as most translators wrongly interpret.

Kalalah no child use 4:176
4:176 يستفتونك they seek your ruling قل say الله The God يفتيكم gives you a ruling في in الكلالة al-kalalah (fatherless spouseless) إن if امرؤ person هلك died ليس is not له to person ولد waladun/child

Kalalah with son use 4:12 otherwise there is confusion what to give 1 sister: 1/2 or 1/6

4:12... وإن and if كان kāna is رجل a man يورث inherited كلالة kalālatan (fatherless spouseless) أو or امرأة woman وله and has أخ brother أو or أخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them السدس the sixth فإن so if كانوا kānū they were أكثر greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners في in الثلث the third

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #155 on: July 29, 2012, 01:21:05 PM »
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I infer from above---is it correct

You mean his father is not living at the time of his death-he is already dead. What about mother?

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Correct, deceased did not have a father.
Mother may be alive since  4:11 IF إخوة ikh'wat mother =1/6

So alternate state could be that Father survives while the Mother is dead.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #156 on: July 29, 2012, 06:34:46 PM »
So alternate state could be that Father survives while the Mother is dead.

All inheritors can be present or not present; with presence of father/spouse siblings get nothing.

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed 4:11) = 2/3 father; siblings = 0

1 - 1/6 mother (fixed 4:11) = 5/6 brother/siblings mixed

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #157 on: July 30, 2012, 04:50:35 AM »
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All inheritors can be present or not present; with presence of father/spouse siblings get nothing.

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed 4:11) = 2/3 father; siblings = 0

Where is this red part written?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #158 on: July 30, 2012, 05:57:44 AM »
Where is this red part written?

4:11 ... فإن so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/child وورثه and heirs أبواه person’s parents فلأمه so to his mother الثلث the third

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/known) = 2/3 father (variable/unknown)

Logical deduction AND IF OR NOT ELSE (used to build supercomputers) differentiates the human from most creatures.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur’an
« Reply #159 on: July 30, 2012, 09:30:40 AM »
4:11 ... فإن so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/child وورثه and heirs أبواه person’s parents فلأمه so to his mother الثلث the third

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/known) = 2/3 father (variable/unknown)

Logical deduction AND IF OR NOT ELSE (used to build supercomputers) differentiates the human from most creatures.

Peace!

In the interpretation of law, and particularly in matters of money/wealth it is not permitted that the reader starts inserting new law in the name of logical deductions.