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YAMU

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Vicious circle
« on: June 30, 2012, 09:05:40 AM »
Salam All,

The world is being engaged in the vicious circle because of distorted ideologies. However, there are Muslims agree with them throughout the fields, it's caused the world facing lots of evils so far. I've never seen quranist come out to protest them publicly, but a few. Others just only debate behind the Scene by not disclosing themselves.

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Re: Vicious circle
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 11:26:59 AM »
Salam All,

The world is being engaged in the vicious circle because of distorted ideologies. However, there are Muslims agree with them throughout the fields, it's caused the world facing lots of evils so far. I've never seen quranist come out to protest them publicly, but a few. Others just only debate behind the Scene by not disclosing themselves.

Peace

Hi Yamu,

Very well said. But there is no single platform where all muslims(in true sense) come together and protest or stage something.
Protesting alone would be futile and maybe a cause of concern too. There are mad souls out there in the world who are ready to kill anyone who is against their thinking. Being careful is a necessity now. Perhaps someday we all will have a platform from where we will all rise and protest.

Regards

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Re: Vicious circle
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 07:04:30 PM »
Hi Yamu,

Very well said. But there is no single platform where all muslims(in true sense) come together and protest or stage something.
Protesting alone would be futile and maybe a cause of concern too. There are mad souls out there in the world who are ready to kill anyone who is against their thinking. Being careful is a necessity now. Perhaps someday we all will have a platform from where we will all rise and protest.

Regards

This is not true..
It really depends on your definition of a muslim..
One could argue that those who submit to the Creator of All is by definition a muslim..knowingly or unknowingly..
by oath(aymaan) knowingly/conciously he could be a Unitarian christian/jewish/etc..
but by deen(way of life) he is by definition a muslim..knowingly or unknowingly..

قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَىٰ كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّـهَ وَلَا نُشْرِ‌كَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْ‌بَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّـهِ ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُون ﴿
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[3:64] Sahih International
Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."

and I believe that Allah SWT give credits on that..
and on putting in strategic positions of power in the top rankings of the world to the right people to govern the world over..
and we must have positive thoughts towards Allah SWT on this as a mu'min who believes in His words in AQ..
and btw, the presidents are not the leaders of the world.. it's the people behind the scenes that control them that matters..
there are some hints that those leaders were aware of the AQ and I have a feeling that they were believers (mu'min)..and because of that they were given the positions:
وَعَدَ اللَّـهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْ‌ضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْ‌تَضَىٰ لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُم مِّن بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا ۚ يَعْبُدُونَنِي لَا يُشْرِ‌كُونَ بِي شَيْئًا ۚ وَمَن كَفَرَ‌ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ ﴿٥٥﴾
[24:55] Sahih International
Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.

so IMHO this way we could translate AQ's pov that He has been on the side of the muslim/mu'min all along..but in His own way of doing things..
and sure enough they proved their divine authority by doing the unthinkable, going to space, as per this verse:
يَا مَعْشَرَ‌ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ‌ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْ‌ضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ ﴿٣٣﴾
[55:33] Sahih International
O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah].

now the "muslim" part in the eastern hemisphere of this world need to recognize this divine gifted authority.. otherwise they are as just as good as the munaafiqoon..

so awareness must be focused on this fact..

wallahua3lam..
Johan
Peace

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Re: Vicious circle
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 11:30:45 PM »
This is not true..
It really depends on your definition of a muslim..
One could argue that those who submit to the Creator of All is by definition a muslim..knowingly or unknowingly..
by oath(aymaan) knowingly/conciously he could be a Unitarian christian/jewish/etc..
but by deen(way of life) he is by definition a muslim..knowingly or unknowingly..

Well said.!

And by the way I'm NOT a quranist.. ;)

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
9:97

And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: Vicious circle
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 09:11:54 AM »
i've tried to spread the word, and even passed out flyers....
a version of this:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwFbhXgE0EorVWtZVmRsdjNNWEk
Facebook Group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/310518545650653/

Youtube:
www.youtube.com/QuranicIslam101


"Fear not those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear the one who can destroy both the soul and the body in hell." (Matthew 10:28)

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Re: Vicious circle
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 02:15:47 PM »
Well said.!

And by the way I'm NOT a quranist.. ;)

Salam / Peace

so what are you?   me - i am just a muslim per God.   i think people understand it best if i say that i am a monotheist choosing God's scriptures for guidance in my life or spiritual but not religious.