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JesusSonOfGod:
Peace friends,

We all know that in the past God was God of the Israelites religiously speaking, He gave them the Law and they failed to adhere with completeness, so the Law could not save them as they failed to keep it and neighter taught it to the the rest of the world as God obviously desired,

Then God promised them Messiah, the Christ. We all know that He was to be born in the line of Isaac in the house of King David. Christ would redeem then and through Him the gentiles would be blessed,

We know that Christ does not come with the Law but an anointing to redeem the mankind to God. Christ Jesus was born and those who were close to Him witnessed everything about Him,

Yet the Jews thought Christ must be born like the past leaders and kings to deliver them from other nations, so they rejected Jesus and by doing so fulfilled the scriptures and more is yet to come

As written, anyone who profess to follow the Law must follow the entire Law, if the Jews are holding to Judaism then they should be doing the full Law even when it comes to sacrifices of bulls, doves, goats.... but they are not doing it and no one is dying by God's grace yet their eyes are closed, because of Jesus they are not cursed by the Law

So Jesus is born in the line of David and we believe the witness of those who saw and heard Him,

If you can have faith in these you already have life and know that

Jesus is Son of God

If you understand this and accept Jesus in your life, believing by heart and confessing by mouth God is able to answer all your questions which the answers are hard sometimes if you asked a human being, for indeed we as Christians would be the most sinners if we preach that God raised Christ if He did not, truly it would meant we say God did what He did not do but we know that the witness of Jesus disciples is true and worthy of adherance by all, Amen

Bender:
Salaam,

The Quran teaches us this:

9:30 And AlYahudu said: "Ezra is the son of God," and AlNassara said: "The Messiah is the son of God." Such is their utterances with their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God will fight them. They are deluded from the truth!
9:31 They have taken their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides God, and the Messiah, son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god except He, be He glorified against what they set up.
9:32 They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His light continue, even if the rejecters hate it.

and this:

5:17 Rejecters indeed are those who have said: "God is the Messiah, son of Mary." Say: "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on the earth!" And to God is the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things.

Salaam,
Bender

Student of Allah:

--- Quote from: JesusSonOfGod on June 28, 2012, 02:37:07 PM ---Peace friends,

We all know that in the past God was God of the Israelites religiously speaking, He gave them the Law and they failed to adhere with completeness, so the Law could not save them as they failed to keep it and neighter taught it to the the rest of the world as God obviously desired,

Then God promised them Messiah, the Christ. We all know that He was to be born in the line of Isaac in the house of King David. Christ would redeem then and through Him the gentiles would be blessed,

We know that Christ does not come with the Law but an anointing to redeem the mankind to God. Christ Jesus was born and those who were close to Him witnessed everything about Him,

Yet the Jews thought Christ must be born like the past leaders and kings to deliver them from other nations, so they rejected Jesus and by doing so fulfilled the scriptures and more is yet to come

As written, anyone who profess to follow the Law must follow the entire Law, if the Jews are holding to Judaism then they should be doing the full Law even when it comes to sacrifices of bulls, doves, goats.... but they are not doing it and no one is dying by God's grace yet their eyes are closed, because of Jesus they are not cursed by the Law

So Jesus is born in the line of David and we believe the witness of those who saw and heard Him,

If you can have faith in these you already have life and know that

Jesus is Son of God

If you understand this and accept Jesus in your life, believing by heart and confessing by mouth God is able to answer all your questions which the answers are hard sometimes if you asked a human being, for indeed we as Christians would be the most sinners if we preach that God raised Christ if He did not, truly it would meant we say God did what He did not do but we know that the witness of Jesus disciples is true and worthy of adherance by all, Amen

--- End quote ---

Shalom Aleikhem,

I have 2 questions for you:

1. Why did you clone this thread ? This thread was already running and had only run for 3 pages. Why did you decide to restart from scratch ? As far as I know, this is considered a form of spamming or disruption.

2. May be I am wrong (after all I am human too), but it looks as though you are actively avoiding submitting evidence for that what you attribute to Jesus and that what you attribute he spoke about the Lord. Why ?

 At this point, I find it morally obliging to let you know that there is no "argument" here. Because for that to happen, both parties must submit propositions and refute/accept them. You are not helping anyone out. You are simply asserting over and over that Jesus is the Son of God. Do not get me wrong, I do not doubt your sincerity. I am only asking from you the bare minimum. You have provided as much evidence of Jesus being the son of God as anyone can give evidence of Michael Jackson being the son of God. Ofcourse, the Michael worshiper would have to say that totally based on her/his subjective and personal feelings. Same goes for you.

I only asked for you to present the truth, the way, and the life, all you gave me was your subjective perception.

I don't know if there is a word for it when a follower of Christ has to ignore Christ to believe in Christ.

Peace
------------- Student of Allah

Jafar:
JesusSonOfGod apparently you're a professional salesman (or saleswoman)..??
You seems to not really trying to seek out the truth (as any other salesmen or women)..
It seems your motivation is to sell your product..

And if your product has a flaw / defect or bad review, you seems to try on 'downplaying' it by moving to another topic.. (which is not related at all with the topic being discussed)..

But anyway.. to makes you happy... if you want me to convert well then I will.. tell me what do you want me to do.. I convert myself for you.. (and also tell me what do I get out of it, perhaps some % of your commission?? ;)

Salam / Peace

JesusSonOfGod:
Salam,

It was not my intention to clone, I put in a reply and there was no topic so I typed the topic but it came in a different page, sorry please don't make it an issue.

I read the Qur'an as quoted by Bender, what I always struggle to understand is that, this person who was writting these things already knew what the other religions was teaching, we don't really consider true Christianity as religion but a Christ like lifestyle even in reference to God. What He seems to be doing is criticize the religions or faith.

The things that he is saying were addressed by the apostles in their warnings to the church, as people who teach philosophies of man FULL of the wisdom of the world not the wisdom of God denying that Jesus is Son of God (not my words), then Jesus said, .."Father I thank you that you have revealed these things to the poor.."

I heard that sometimes the prophet would have no answers for the people that questioned him concerning Christianity and he would get some inspirations and come back with answers. If this is correct, it means he really didnt have a ministry like the other men of God had, John the Baptist already had his ministry and Jesus answered every question that was asked without consulting (the words were already in him, authenticated)
It was Jesus Him self that taught that we MUST have faith in Him. When I read the words recorded as Jesus words, they are words on One with authority not as one send to deliver a message and He says He got them from the Father,

Lol, I am not a salesman Jafar, I am an engineer. Without hesitation I would prefer that people investigate but obviously if you are Muslim i think make a prayer to God asking Him to reveal Jesus in truth to you and continue with your normal life and belief God is able to teach us from what we already are customed to, I also came from a Jesus believing church where the Holy Spirit was put behind doors, someone said we are not here (free-minds) to convert people, I believe God has an apointment with all of us. If you were meant to hear Jesus one day it will come. It was He who said, "...My sheep hears My Voice..." these He did not say as a messager or a prophet, He said it as Christ the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world as John the Baptist said and He will lead us to God

Some say God must just forgive not to obtain a way out through a sacrifice, but we all know that without the shedding of blood no life can be redeemed and if God being God just said, "I forgive everyone", that would include satan and at that moment everyone dead would resurrect and we would be immortal because the Word of God does not go and come back to Him void but it always accomplishes what it is sent to do. So if before Christ Jesus Son of God died for us, God said, if you sin you will die, it had to be so without any hope of resurrection, but now resurrection is only valid as a reality because Jesus died for us and was raised for us, that we may resurrect also being in Him. So the teaching that Jesus son of Mary did not die, i unfortunately believe it comes from him who comes  to lie, destroy and kill to influence people not to believe but the apostles warned us,

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