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The Qur'an as a 'miracle'
Ruuube:
I will preface this by saying, I do not believe the Qur’an is a miracle in the traditional sense. A miracle as I understand it is a divine occurrence so spectacular it breaks the known laws of nature. Laws that the creation are bound to – not the creator, which is why miracles are possible.
The Qur’an, despite no human being able to replicate it’s status or composition, does not break the laws of nature. It is quite possible to write an amazing book – you could never write the Qur’an, but you could write an amazing book. If the Qur’an is a miracle just because Allah created it, then flies are miracles, the ocean is a miracle, dandelions are miracles. A better term for it would be a portent, or a sign.
The Qur’an is essentially, the ultimate reminder, or sign, or portent. Allah creates the universe, and populates it with all sorts of things and binds it to laws, and then he creates this encyclopaedia of everything relevant inside it. The Qur’an to me is what ties humanity, the creator and the natural world together.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
good logic:
Peace Ruuube.
I will add the following thoughts:
1- Do we know all" the laws of nature".
2- God created the "parting of the sea" for Moses, like HE created the Dandelion, the sea etc....
3- If something is impossible for a human to do, is it a miracle?
4-What is the definition of " Miracle".
Peace.
Jafar:
--- Quote from: Ruuube on June 22, 2012, 08:53:28 PM ---I will preface this by saying, I do not believe the Qur’an is a miracle in the traditional sense. A miracle as I understand it is a divine occurrence so spectacular it breaks the known laws of nature. Laws that the creation are bound to – not the creator, which is why miracles are possible.
--- End quote ---
And as it turns out those 'miracles' didn't break any known laws of nature either...
Thus it left with "spectacular".. or within the showbiz industry a.k.a "The WOW effect"...
--- Quote ---The Qur’an, despite no human being able to replicate it’s status or composition, does not break the laws of nature. It is quite possible to write an amazing book – you could never write the Qur’an, but you could write an amazing book. If the Qur’an is a miracle just because Allah created it, then flies are miracles, the ocean is a miracle, dandelions are miracles. A better term for it would be a portent, or a sign.
The Qur’an is essentially, the ultimate reminder, or sign, or portent. Allah creates the universe, and populates it with all sorts of things and binds it to laws, and then he creates this encyclopaedia of everything relevant inside it. The Qur’an to me is what ties humanity, the creator and the natural world together.
--- End quote ---
And where did in the Quran, the author claimed :
"What I wrote here is a miracle... you should consider this as miracle.. OR ELSE!!"..
And the Quran is not even an encyclopedia.. and it actually wasn't designed to 'tie anything'..
The whole objective of writing the Quran is stated in the first verse of the second chapter..
"Dhalika al-kitabu la roiba fihi hudan lil mutaqin"
This is the book, (which) no doubt.. within.. a guidance for the righteous"..
Salam / Peace
mirjamnur:
Salam :)
i found a very interesting site:
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/
Unfortunately, my Arabic is not nearly as well to be able to follow the authors arguments... I'm curious on your opinions
peace :peace:
bkanwar2:
Please consider this linguistic understanding of 2:2. What I am not sure, if safegaurd against "Maut" is only for relating to it's meaning about deprivation of senses and intellectual faculty, or all it's meanings, including physical extinction as well. If it is all, we really need to learn all of it, as soon as possible.
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيم
For a timeless distinction of the unchanging and everlasting relationship, with One who is not a deity for adoration and worship.
2:1 الم
Man (mankind) has caused himself to intensely suffer
2:2 ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِيْنَ
This suffering for you is due to the refusal and departure from the learned and written collection of principles. Without a shadow of doubt, a timeless mode of conduct is contained, in it; for all those seeking to safe guard themselves against Maut.(Maut= deprivation of senses, intellectual faculty, grief, sorrows, fears as well complete extinction).
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