Critical Examination of Islam > What is the nature of God?
God's Care
justamuslim:
--- Quote from: Carlee on July 10, 2012, 03:11:55 PM ---
I'd say part of my coming here is to enlighten people there's in fact no god the Quran describes exists, with logic and reasoning. I'm not here to simply say I don't believe in it. I've proved there's nothing that has boundless power and mercy, or even boundless power and is just. You and some others simply find it hard to accept.
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per your opinion, people like me are not enlightened, are immature and not logical but carlee, unlike you we are not the ones mentally suffering wanting to end our lives. what you have proved is that you are deeply suffering and in need of help.
good logic:
Peace Carlee.
I have nothing worthwhile to say to you.
Your Creator has. Keep searching for your answer/s. Hope you will find what you are looking for.
You are in control of your choice and decision.
Peace.
Jafar:
--- Quote from: Carlee on July 09, 2012, 09:49:09 AM ---No, the Quran claims there's a god who's "capable of all things", unless you're trying to say your god is then not omnipotent.
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Yes there's a Power/Force that drives all things..
--- Quote ---It also claims he "knows everything". I'm also pretty sure it says somewhere there're no limits to his mercy. Even mainstream Islam teaches this, and it gives a much more sinister impression of "God" than any Quran-alone sect.
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So?
Again I see the tendency of 'viewing God as a human'.. approach.. which is common in the west...
And since It is not It but a He.. you start to put judgement to Him...
Why don't you blame the volcano for erupting? Earth crust to be moving? (and cause an earthquake which killed millions of species) or Meteorites to be falling? (And killed millions of species including Dinosaurs) or Star exploding?? (And killed not only millions of creatures but many planets as well)
And let's say next year is the end of this universe... and all planets, stars and galaxies plus any living things inside of it shall be destroyed...
What would you do with that fact? Blaming It/Him as well?
You can't put the blame on It who destroyed everything because It created all of it in the first place...
He/It doesn't need you and/or your 'acceptance' that He/It exists...
As He/It continues to exist and exerted all of His/It power... even when you say It/He doesn't exist..
Who do you think you are? You're just a very little tiny specks among zillions of It's creation...
It's the other way around... you need Him/It... or to put it in a street slang.. 'your sorry arse depends on Him/It'..
Salam / Peace
mmkhan:
--- Quote from: Jafar on July 13, 2012, 03:22:09 PM ---Yes there's a Power/Force that drives all things..
So?
Again I see the tendency of 'viewing God as a human'.. approach.. which is common in the west...
And since It is not It but a He.. you start to put judgement to Him...
Why don't you blame the volcano for erupting? Earth crust to be moving? (and cause an earthquake which killed millions of species) or Meteorites to be falling? (And killed millions of species including Dinosaurs) or Star exploding?? (And killed not only millions of creatures but many planets as well)
And let's say next year is the end of this universe... and all planets, stars and galaxies plus any living things inside of it shall be destroyed...
What would you do with that fact? Blaming It/Him as well?
You can't put the blame on It who destroyed everything because It created all of it in the first place...
He/It doesn't need you and/or your 'acceptance' that He/It exists...
As He/It continues to exist and exerted all of His/It power... even when you say It/He doesn't exist..
Who do you think you are? You're just a very little tiny specks among zillions of It's creation...
It's the other way around... you need Him/It... or to put it in a street slang.. 'your sorry arse depends on Him/It'..
Salam / Peace
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Salaam,
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
Very well said bro. May my and your TheCreator bless you.
mmKhan
Carlee:
I'm not respecting other members, though all the insulting posts aimed at yours truly (like ones saying I'm "deaf, blind, and dumb") is not a sign of disrespect. I wouldn't be surprised if after making you look this bad, you would agree to said hateful insults.
It's sad people are too lazy to read through a topic they decide to give bans in, or were you upset after the fact there's no deity of boundless power and mercy was made clear to you?
Replies to the last responses to me in order since I don't find them quote-worthy:
- "Mental suffering is a symptom of our inability to reason" is your argument. Alright, and a merciful all-powerful god out there is ok with this suffering happening. Never mind how it, in the first place lets it be that a person is "unable" to reason. Right.
- Another person who doesn't read. I knew someone was going to use that against me. It's what happens when you no longer have a valid argument to make, not that you ever had one.
- "My creator" half the time doesn't even make sense. Reading the Quran is like reading Yoda talk, and it cares about you so much that it spends the first 200 or so verses talking about a story so irrelevant to you and your spiritual health about a 3000 year old dude who for all we know didn't even exist.
- This is also pretty irrelevant. You're arguing there's still a god with all this power that created everything and blah blah blah. It still does not address my posts in any relevant manner, not even much the opening post.
-EDIT- & the Quran gives a "Western" description of the god, once again attributing traits like "all-powerful", "just", and "merciful" (and not just simply "the driving force of everything" as you claim), things that are outright and ridiculously wrong with what goes on in this world. It even claims to have emotions, what with it being "angry" and "satisfied" from our doings, and even attributes body parts ("the hand of...", "in the eyes of...") to itself. Human-like and Western? I think so.
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