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Carlee:

--- Quote from: good logic on June 28, 2012, 12:12:34 PM ---Peace Carlee.

You got me wrong as well.
I was talking about those who run the human systems. If there was care, fairness and compassion in a society, they will help each other and care for each other.I also do not pretend to know how they feel or what they are going through, but the Creator does:

27:75″ There is nothing in the heavens and the earth that is hidden from GOD; Everything is in a profound record.”

Also may be there is a reward for those who suffer unjustly in this life. HE knows HIS creation every single individual, and:

27:77″ Your Lord is the one who judges among them in accordance with his rules ( and law). HE is the ALMIGHTY, the OMNISCIENT.”

I do not value this life, it is an illusion, what my Lord has is better.

I was trying to say to you and to all those who suffer,that as far as the Creator is concerned, there is hope for them.

May the Lord give us hope and understanding and patience to keep trusting in HIM.
Peace.

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Explain how there can possibly be a god with boundless mercy (or enough to make it even a considerable trait) when it claims to be omnipotent (can do anything imaginable or beyond) and loving of those who're good-doers, while so many of those people can't help but grieve every day and wish they'd rather die (when they aren't at fault or to blame). In fact I'll ask a better question: say a nation's army is defeated and that nation had a woman, and the winning army was about to take over and it was determined all the women from the losing nation were going to be permanent sex slaves, and the woman ends her life accordingly. She goes to Hell because she gave up on God's grace (what god and what grace) am I right?



--- Quote from: IAMOP on June 28, 2012, 01:25:30 PM ---Such a rash comment! This is the internet, and those who you talk to come from all walks of life. It's easy to dismiss a block of text but everyone has their own life story. For the record I have been clinically depressed myself for the larger part of my life. Yet here I stand with it totally cleared away. Even disregarding this, what I said is factual. If God exists then all pain has its purpose and essentially EVERY reason for suicide is the result of despair of God, hopelessness. Until one sees the wisdom behind the pain one cannot alleviate the pain.

The truth is that as long as you identify with your body you will suffer. Your true being is not touched by pain or pleasure. It is perfectly still and complete in itself. A person who is in tune with this is not really affected by pain. It hurts all the same yet it does not touch the self. The person pictured who immolated himself has grasped this truth. As he burnt away he did not flinch while others would have been screaming in pain. Many people have immolated themselves in this precise fashion each of them calmly burning to ashes.

One of the names of God is the peace/the bestower of peace (as-salam). When you put your trust in God and submit to his will, this peace opens up to you. It is a boundless ocean that most only see the surface of and the surface is chaotically wavey. Nirvana is real and I talk from experience. Don't dismiss things you have no knowledge of. If you don't agree, fine. Just remember everyone has their own story to tell. You are not alone in experiencing pain, there are 7 billion of us alongside you.

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So there are 7 billion people (the world population) going through what I'm going through now? What a laugh.

Never mind the rest of the nonsensical crap you posted. We all have to be akin to Chinese monks now to achieve happiness. You're a person not affected by physical pain yet you're one of the people on Earth who use the internet on their free times.

In the end you somehow managed to make your life bearable. The fact you think this is possible for everyone (who tries to live by a certain book) is the actual ignorance in this topic. As I said I've read the Quran several times and tried living by it, several times. Nothing.

Record yourself immolating and I'll believe you're laughable "I'm no longer affected by pain" statement.

Not that I brought physical pain up once in this topic. Do you read, bro?



--- Quote from: johan on June 28, 2012, 02:05:59 PM ---I think you've forgotten the aim of living in this world..
the aim is not to have fun in this life, though it's a blessing to be able to have them both..
(if you're in with the reincarnation theory, then maybe they did bad in their past lives that warrants them getting this karma?)

Think of it as responsibility, the more tools/facilities/goodness the more you're accountable for it's usage..
some people are given less because Allah SWT knows that they are more likely to fail..

wallahua3lam

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If you've been reading my posts you'd know I wasn't complaining about not having fun. It's about suffering badly mentally, and for pretty much the entire life I remember. Hardly ever the same thing.


nevashiva I read your posts and they are indeed word quilts. 'Tsok I do that sometimes too, but I work now and hardly have the time to do other stuff. Maybe I'll respond to it later.

P.S. I don't see why there isn't proof for medicinal treatments when it's known there are some that alleviate it. When they restore this balance the person is better, so how're they not due to imbalances? Sure life experiences are related...otherwise, what's the cause to mbalance besides perhaps genetics?

good logic:
Peace Carlee.

If we expect GOD to be reasonable, then let us be reasonable.

Do you expect GOD to interfere and act according to how we see it? Like I said GOD has given every human a predetermined time to live on this earth. HE decides what to do according to HIS perfect knowledge.

We cannot have it both ways. Everyone is responsible for themselves, if people choose to mistreat others, etc...They are the cause of suffering not GOD. However those who seek GOD s help, HE will help them.

I do not have to justify to anyone anything , I am not anyone's guardian. There is a direct line to your Creator, if you want HIM to help you ask HIM.
Peace.

Jafar:
Peace Carlee..

NOBODY on this forum is "God's official agent"..thus they can only speculate but unfortunately might not give you a definitive answer.. because... you post the question to the wrong destination..

The correct address to post your question is of course to the Maintainer Of All Universes Him (or It) selves..

Having said that; there's a small story on the Quran.. which pretty much resembles your questions and concerns..
(Al-Kahf) 18:65-82

Salam / Peace

nevashiva:

--- Quote from: Carlee on July 02, 2012, 02:01:39 PM ---P.S. I don't see why there isn't proof for medicinal treatments when it's known there are some that alleviate it. When they restore this balance the person is better, so how're they not due to imbalances? Sure life experiences are related...otherwise, what's the cause to mbalance besides perhaps genetics?

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Yeah It could be genetics actually like you just get more easily emotional, like some get on weight or muscle mass more easily...

you know what I mean to say is...'I want to think my way out of it.'

But yeah I could be just a patient being stubborn about needing something to be healthy...or I just don't like the stigma of it...so yeah..

But what I meant for example..if you are injured and bleeding, and take pain killers, they will stop the pain, but you will bleed to death and you never felt it.
(This analogy is not true to depression, as in ' not scientifically proven wise'...but I am worried that this is what I would be doing, because I hear a lot of stories about people who are on mood stabilizers who all of a sudden...kill them selves...:(..so I don't know really). That and the anti-psychiatry documentaries going around help lol.

my very immature opinion, is that it has something to do with perception of life...I don't know...I just feel like crap for needing antidepressants..and as I said I really hate that zombie feeling...:/, and I feel I have questions I want answered.
 
I also had a lot of problems with how God is selective in his love, and his mercy...and that used to frustrate me so much...but I learned by time...that humans are much much worse, and that the demands I want of God I can't do my self...at all...so he is really just in my eyes now that I have seen more of how the world *really* works...but that could be my perception...but I really know what you mean and I hope you find your answers and peace.


Also I caught your comment about God punishing people for suicide...God in the Qur'an only talked about suicide saying, and people should not kill themselves don't they know I am merciful...he did not...use the usual words he uses to condemn people for doing nasty/idolatry/disbelieving in him hell was not mentioned.

One of the lessons that was hard for me to learn about God, is that as much as he wants me to be wary of his judgment...he wants me to also believe in his mercy and that he is the most merciful...so that's beyond human standards, and humans can forgive amazing things!.....
The story of prophet Yusuf is also a nice story that I liked...cause Yusuf goes through a lot of horrible things even though he is righteous and his brothers who were bad, also realize they wronged him and they are forgiven and Yusuf stresses to them God's mercy.
Even someone enlightened me about Moses killing a man in the moment of rage, and still God forgave him.
I remember a friend of mine before told me that in the Qur'an every time God talks about punishing those who sin, in the next verse he talks about how he is forgiving, and how he will reward who believed.

Anyways take care, and make sure you vent off frequently :).

justamuslim:

--- Quote from: good logic on July 02, 2012, 10:23:20 PM ---Peace Carlee.

We cannot have it both ways. Everyone is responsible for themselves, if people choose to mistreat others, etc...They are the cause of suffering not GOD. However those who seek GOD s help, HE will help them.


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absolutely agree.   i have always tried to live right by God and where did it get me?   a lot of pain.  but it was caused by others - not God.   i should be pretty messed up but thanks to God, i am not.  i feel serene and reading the koran is comforting and healing. 

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