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Quranists and testing for clandestine agendas?
Wakas:
salaam/peace all,
Thanks for the replies.
I think there could be many "Quranist" agendas, e.g. to gain fame/fortune/popularity/praise, establish one's view, malign certain groups, to unburden themselves of having to follow strict Quranic guidance, integrate or make it more accepting to Western society etc.
In terms of testing this, I think there are a few tell tale signs, e.g....
they do not do what they say i.e. hypocrite, contradictory positions.
when emotionally rattled, or things get tough, or they have to put in significant effort, or use their own money/wealth - their true self comes out
they are not clear/open/honest in the information they present
they will regularly evade/obfuscate, commit logical fallacies in argument - in an effort to avoid being exposed/refuted
say one thing in public and another in private
etc.
--- Quote ---"if you want to test a man's true character, give him power."
-- Abe Lincoln
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I like this saying. It reminds me of this post: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8609.msg26554#msg26554
When someone is in a position of power, to do with you as they please, then it is indeed a test of character if they remain true/just/righteous/etc when dealing with you, even if against their own kin etc, as per Quran, e.g. 4:135.
Something to think about.
Jafar:
--- Quote from: Wakas on June 14, 2012, 10:16:59 AM ---they will regularly evade/obfuscate, commit logical fallacies in argument - in an effort to avoid being exposed/refuted
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And in the end resorted to name calling (their favorite deity; Mr. Satan is often being mentioned).. and if that also doesn't work they resorted to violence...
--- Quote ---When someone is in a position of power, to do with you as they please, then it is indeed a test of character if they remain true/just/righteous/etc when dealing with you, even if against their own kin etc, as per Quran, e.g. 4:135.
Something to think about.
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Any additional power and knowledge we got from God is a test of our wisdom to apply it...
God's revelation doesn't stop with Quran.. it continues today and it shall continues up to the future..
Salam / Peace
SarahY:
peace,
of course there would be people with hidden agenda's though it would be difficult to accurately test what it may be.
personal deficiencies can cause people to regularly evade arguments, and commit logically fallacies etc. that might not indicate their lack of sincerity also one doesn't know what their devotion is to... To God?how? To being better/good? To understanding Quran? all of the above? something else?
no one knows the hearts of the people, we can be wishful and trust and hope for the best while making judgement?
you mention people who think they are doing good but aren't really. it's interesting because traditionalists fall back on intentions and also the fact that common people are not learned and are required to research what scholars have found and make a judgement based on that.
good logic:
Peace all.
As far as " Hidden agenda" goes , it will remain hidden, until the person hiding it slips up or GOD wishes to show it.
Then again are all "Hidden Agenda" bad ? There may be some good "Hidden Agenda".
If one trusts in GOD and remembers that he/she is going to meet HIM for accountability, he/she will hide less and show more. Also the Lord may protect them from bad " Hidden Agenda".
Peace.
savage_carrot:
--- Quote from: Jafar on June 14, 2012, 12:34:08 AM ---True.. One of the indicator.. the POV is being proposed not to be 'tested' and the intention is not to 'seek truth'..
The author of the POV shall be easily angered when there's one who doesn't accept his/her POV and started 'name calling'..
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One of the ways, agreed.
--- Quote from: SarahY ---personal deficiencies can cause people to regularly evade arguments, and commit logically fallacies etc. that might not indicate their lack of sincerity also one doesn't know what their devotion is to... To God?how? To being better/good? To understanding Quran? all of the above? something else?
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Wouldn't that be an indicator of their lack of sincerity striving for the truth/knowledge? At the end of the day, regardless of how we understand the quran or God...personal deficiencies that cause us to falter and/or hinder the path of truth or knowledge for ourselves or others for example would be bad all around. Some might even call such a self serving agenda e.g. :in which we might have someone refusing to acknowledge an evident truth for the sake of pride etc
Our shortcomings and our desire to do good/faith/belief and so on are interconnected in a way that improving the former would raise the dividends on the latter. The results would be stunted otherwise.
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