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Non penetrative incestuous acts.
RED:
Salam,
*PLEASE REFRAIN FROM WRITING ANYTHING WHICH IS NOT BASED ON THE QURAN.
*PLEASE IGNORE THE CONTEMPORARY TABOO ABOUT INCEST WHEN REPLYING.
*I AM NOT INTERESTED IN INCEST SINCE I WAS BRAINWASHED THAT IT IS TABOO, I DON'T GET TURNED ON BY LOOKING AT RELATIVES. THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR RELIGION ALLOWS.
*PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT SUCH ACTS WILL LEAD TO INCESTUOUS PENETRATIVE SEX. IT IS NOT A FACT, AND THE POSSIBILITY ISN'T GROUNDS FOR FORBIDDING IT.
I hope we can have a mature discussion after I made those things clear.
Now:
As I understand from the Quran, women should cover their bosoms and genitalia in front of non mahrams, while males should only cover their genitalia. (I am not even sure about the genitalia parts...)
Since there is no limitation, we can understand that it is allowed to be fully naked in the sight of siblings, parents, children, etc. It is also allowed to touch and kiss mahrams anywhere (since it is not prohibited) except from the genitalia which is reserved for spouses and MMA(ma malakat aymanukum).
My conclusion is that there is no prohibition of incest as long as there is no penetration (or any kind of stimulation of the genitalia by the touches of the mahram). So kissing, making out, cuddling, and even mutual masturbation with a sibling is not prohibited by the Quran.
Thoughts?
newform:
--- Quote from: RED on June 11, 2012, 03:39:29 PM ---
My conclusion is that there is no prohibition of incest as long as there is no penetration (or any kind of stimulation of the genitalia by the touches of the mahram). So kissing, making out, cuddling, and even mutual masturbation with a sibling is not prohibited by the Quran.
Thoughts?
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Peace Red, I think you may need to seek psychological counseling immediately.
RED:
--- Quote from: newform on June 11, 2012, 04:10:52 PM ---Peace Red, I think you may need to seek psychological counseling immediately.
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And I think you need to learn to read. Sunnis can criticize Quran-Only Muslims by saying that the Quran doesn't prohibit such things.
lordfox:
Despite what your thought-master Freud (a simple guess of who might have influenced you in this) would say, being repulsed by the very idea of incest is something that is innate rather than learned over the years. Your argumentation is absolutely, moronically idiotic, so because the quran is silent on something, it means that it is acceptable ? Please set aside the books of the maniac Freud, and do remember that morality is universal, and on this angle, the quran serves only as a "reminder" (zikr).
Abdul-Hadi:
Greetings and Peace, all :group:
I feel kind of dirty just posting in such a topic. <shrugs> It is no worse than reading it, I suppose. ;) There is no stink that stinks forever!
6:151 Say: "Come let me recite what your Lord has made unlawful for you: that you should not set up anything with Him; and do good to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is evident of it and what is subtle; and do not take the life which GOD has made forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."
7:33 Say: "My Lord has made unlawful lewdness; what is evident of it and what is subtle; and sin, and aggression without cause, and that you set up partners with GOD that which He has never authorized, and that you say about GOD what you do not know."
Such acts as were mentioned (in said context) fit the very definition of lewd. A kiss, hug or cuddle need not be sexual in nature; if sexual in nature, the contact/conduct becomes lewd. If the intent is lewd, it follows that the action is polluted by the intent.
39:18 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
ALLAH knows best.
:peace:
~Abdul-Hadi
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