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NielsJacob

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Holy Prophet
« on: June 05, 2012, 03:08:29 PM »
Hi.

I realized that its so obesly wrong to call Muhammed for Holy.
I just cant see that any muslim ever should call a prophet for holy. Anyway who then should be holy.. All the prophets or just Muhammed.
We dont hear the claim the:The Holy prophet Jesus, but only the Holy Prophet (Muhammed)

I saw some Jamaat e islami having a banner with the text: We condemn west on blasphemy against our Holy Prophet.
It just came to my mind, that the one really being blasphemic, is them selves.

Just want to know if Im totally wrong in my observations.. What do you think

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 04:10:06 PM »
I tend to agree. I don't understand why people elevate others as holy, why people celebrate prophets' and saints' birthdays, why people go to prophets' and saints' graves and shrines etc etc etc.
I find it utterly useless. Those chaps are out of the world, and if we choose to learn from them, then still we do not need to 'pay respect' to them and elevate them to the sky. Elevating a character has nothing at all to do with following someones wise teaching or so. People badly mix up cherishing the message vs cherishing the messenger. They are two quite opposite things.

We have ourselves, our flaws, our minds and Allah. We should work hard on improving ourselves and praying to Allah for success in this. We should cut the crap and get real. But people like to live in fairy land and love to tell each other tales of narnia.

What is 'holy' anyway? It's a useless word. It has come to be a label for things that people elevate beyond reason and subsequently don't allow to be questioned. That's what 'holy' has come to mean. 'Holy' is the description of people's dear and untouchable queens, kings, swords, goblets and magic books of fairy land.

People use 'holy' when they refer to something they worship (also unknowingly). 'Holy' is just an intensifier. It is used when people want to show what they hold dearly, close to their hearts... even if it is just a mental image stemming from fairy tales of people long ago dead. Even worse... people take items and objects as holy, especially pieces of teeth, hair or other body parts, or pieces of clothing, that allegedly (correct or false) belonged to a prophet, saint or similar. :brickwall:

I'm baffled.

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2012, 09:55:59 PM »
Holy smoke!  Holy cow!

We can call anything we want  " holy" , It does not make it " holy".

Unless , of course , we want to describe something with " holes" in it.

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 11:09:43 AM »
Hi

Offcouse we can call thing what we like to call them.

But... If you see someone else than God as Holy. You are  a polytheist. And then cant call yourselves for Muslim.

I realized that Shia/Sunni call Muhammed for Holy. There are some blasphemic laws in Pakistan that if you offence Muhammed, you can be acused for Blasphemi.

Again: How can you be blasphemic against any other than God.

The one really are being Blasphemic is the one who makes blasphemic laws concerning Muhammed.

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 01:07:01 PM »
Forget God. People don't care if you are blasphemic against God.
But hell breaks loose when you are blasphemic against the egos and rulings of the human beings that have "authority". THAT is really unforgivable and you'll end up chopped to pieces.
Who cares about God? Not many of the religious people at least. They just care that you conform to their sect standards and not hurt the egos of the sect leaders. Astaghfirullah.
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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 01:25:16 PM »
Zulf

Your right :yay:.
 Its not about God these sects cares.
Blasphemi is against a person(Muhammed)... And they call themselves the true followers.

They should actually start killing themselves for being Blasphemic.
 But  for some reason their leaders didn´t told them to do that yet..

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 02:09:15 PM »
Forget God. People don't care if you are blasphemic against God.
But hell breaks loose when you are blasphemic against the egos and rulings of the human beings that have "authority". THAT is really unforgivable and you'll end up chopped to pieces.
Who cares about God? Not many of the religious people at least. They just care that you conform to their sect standards and not hurt the egos of the sect leaders. Astaghfirullah.
:sun:  :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 02:26:31 PM »
Zulf,

You're going onto my tea list!
We have created you, so why do you not believe? (56:57).

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 08:51:54 PM »
I saw some Jamaat e islami having a banner with the text: We condemn west on blasphemy against our Holy Prophet.
It just came to my mind, that the one really being blasphemic, is them selves.

The funniest aspect of that text is the word 'west'..  :rotfl: :rotfl:
So they condemned a direction because the direction did a blasphemy against their holy idol prophet?

But yeah.. that's common on idolatry..  What's new?
The babylonians condemned Abraham for blasphemy against their holy idols.. and (tried to) burn him to death.
On this case it seems the 4000 years ago babylonians are much smarter than the today's "Jamaat e Islami".. at least they condemned a (living) person.. and not a direction...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Holy Prophet
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 12:23:07 AM »
at least they condemned a (living) person.. and not a direction...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Hilarious man!
The left side of the compass rose really has had to put up with an undeserved amount of blame and accusations. Poor direction. Or maybe they meant Morocco or one of its neighbours?? West --> Maghreb --> Morocco?  :rotfl:
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