Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?

[357]

I doubt very much if this is wrong, but my apologies if it is.

 




For some reason when a person considers himself or herself a puritan/saved/superior he will consider others inferior and will not give them the retro-respect they deserve. Some Christians are in this category and Jews and Muslims and Hindus ……..but because the previous ayah’s are talking about the Christians the following are as well.


2:140

Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were saved/repented  Nazarenes? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented Nazarenes and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

The problem in the above two ayah’s is the wrong use of the "aw" between hudan and nasara.

Muhammad Asad has used it the correct way.

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/EnglishTranslations.htm

In the following ayah’s (I haven’t checked them all though.

Chapter 4 - 4:3; 4:24; 4:25; 4:36;
Chapter 16 - 16:71;
Chapter 23 - 23:6;
Chapter 24 - 24:31; 24:33; 24:58;
Chapter 30 - 30:28;
Chapter 33 - 33:50; 33:52; 33:55;
Chapter 70 - 70:30;

[357]

Just to prove my point;

the greatest enmity which you quran alone believers will have will be from the Alims/mulahs/fundamentalist muslims who consider theselves so righteous the saved/pure because of their arrogance and of course those who do shirk.

simerlarly the quran fundamentaly teaching about Jesus is not god, the quranists faced the same dilema from those who considered themselves Saved by believing in Jesus is God or son of God-as the early quranic believers where very strong in their belief against it.


5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

 

[Jafar]

If you wanted to know the real 'anti-jewish book'..
(Or should I say the most anti-semitic book to be politically correct??)

Try reading the Tanakh ...
The best part is; it's all originally written in Hebrew..

Salam / Peace

[progressive1993]

Edip-Layth - End Note 14 (5:51)

Verse 5:57 provides the characteristics of the people of the book, whom we are instructed not to ally ourselves with. Muslims should not ally themselves with those who insult their values or promote hatred against them. Obviously, this instruction is in the context of religious conflict; not in the context of social, personal, or financial relationship. There are righteous people among the people of the book (3:113; 3:199: 5:69). Eating their food or marriage with them is permitted (5:5). Verses 5:57 and 60:7-9 are among the verses that provide us with basic principles in dealing with others.

Rashad Khalifa - The Final Testament
Rashad Khalifa - End Note 9 (5:51)
Relations with other people are governed by the basic rule in5:57 &60:8-9.The Jews and Christians who cannot be friends are specifically mentioned in5:57; they are the oneswho mock and ridicule the believers, or attack them.

60:7 Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Omnipotent. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

60:8 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.

60:9 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them are the transgressors.

2:62 Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

[357]

If you wanted to know the real 'anti-jewish book'..
(Or should I say the most anti-semitic book to be politically correct??)

Try reading the Tanakh ...
The best part is; it's all originally written in Hebrew..

Salam / Peace

I believe you, just like hitlers ragime-master race.
Mind saying that it happens even in say pakistan , india but somewhat on a smaller scale between sects, and religions.

[357]

Edip-Layth - End Note 14 (5:51)

Verse 5:57 provides the characteristics of the people of the book, whom we are instructed not to ally ourselves with. Muslims should not ally themselves with those who insult their values or promote hatred against them. Obviously, this instruction is in the context of religious conflict; not in the context of social, personal, or financial relationship. There are righteous people among the people of the book (3:113; 3:199: 5:69). Eating their food or marriage with them is permitted (5:5). Verses 5:57 and 60:7-9 are among the verses that provide us with basic principles in dealing with others.

Rashad Khalifa - The Final Testament
Rashad Khalifa - End Note 9 (5:51)
Relations with other people are governed by the basic rule in5:57 &60:8-9.The Jews and Christians who cannot be friends are specifically mentioned in5:57; they are the oneswho mock and ridicule the believers, or attack them.

60:7 Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Omnipotent. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

60:8 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.

60:9 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them are the transgressors.

2:62 Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

I agree, but i think they also mean that Muslims are people of the book aswell !? i think no Muslim Cleric will tolerate a Quranist . Quranists are probably seen far worse then others as they are ripping there world view.

 

[youssef4342]

Peace be with you as well,
It would be the actions of the Jews which would have lead some of them to being condemned.

-Breaking  their covenants 2:100
-Breaking the Sabbath 7:163
-Disregarding God's message 2:62 and going against it 2:85
-Lying about God's Commandments/Not being righteous 3:75
-Disbelieving in Jesus their Messiah, and saying bad things about his mother 4:156
-Disbelieving in other messengers and killing them 2:87
-Disbelieving in the Quran, partly because of jealousy 2:90
-God condemned them because of their unbelief 2:88

Even from the bible itself, i think a dozen prophets came to the children of Israel calling them back to God(before the exile i think) , and Jesus came, and they disbelieved in him also...

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (Mathew 23:37-9

[357]

Peace be with you as well,
It would be the actions of the Jews which would have lead some of them to being condemned.

-Breaking  their covenants 2:100
-Breaking the Sabbath 7:163
-Disregarding God's message 2:62 and going against it 2:85
-Lying about God's Commandments/Not being righteous 3:75
-Disbelieving in Jesus their Messiah, and saying bad things about his mother 4:156
-Disbelieving in other messengers and killing them 2:87
-Disbelieving in the Quran, partly because of jealousy 2:90
-God condemned them because of their unbelief 2:88

Even from the bible itself, i think a dozen prophets came to the children of Israel calling them back to God(before the exile i think) , and Jesus came, and they disbelieved in him also...

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (Mathew 23:37-9

Just because the details of one community are given , does it mean all others are sinless?

The above does surely apply to every community in the world, no?

 

[Bigmo]

I doubt very much if this is wrong, but my apologies if it is.

 




For some reason when a person considers himself or herself a puritan/saved/superior he will consider others inferior and will not give them the retro-respect they deserve. Some Christians are in this category and Jews and Muslims and Hindus ……..but because the previous ayah’s are talking about the Christians the following are as well.


2:140

Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were saved/repented  Nazarenes? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented Nazarenes and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

The problem in the above two ayah’s is the wrong use of the "aw" between hudan and nasara.

Muhammad Asad has used it the correct way.

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/EnglishTranslations.htm

In the following ayah’s (I haven’t checked them all though.

Chapter 4 - 4:3; 4:24; 4:25; 4:36;
Chapter 16 - 16:71;
Chapter 23 - 23:6;
Chapter 24 - 24:31; 24:33; 24:58;
Chapter 30 - 30:28;
Chapter 33 - 33:50; 33:52; 33:55;
Chapter 70 - 70:30;

The Koran seperates between believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians. Faith in the Quran is individualistic.

[357]

The Koran seperates between believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians. Faith in the Quran is individualistic.

Of course, there are the bani israel and the Nazrenes, but ALYAHOUD are a altogether different cattle of fish-i think.

They are the Saved  "once saved always saved", whether christians or Muslims they believe they are the saved and they will show the most enmity to your faith as you are not of the saved if your  belief is that only righteousnes saves the day irrespective of what they call themselves.

Most Muslims have this belief also, but the quran is talking about righteousnes saving you - i think.