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I doubt very much if this is wrong, but my apologies if it is.

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For some reason when a person considers himself or herself a puritan/saved/superior he will consider others inferior and will not give them the retro-respect they deserve. Some Christians are in this category and Jews and Muslims and Hindus ……..but because the previous ayah’s are talking about the Christians the following are as well.


2:140

Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were saved/repented  Nazarenes? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented Nazarenes and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

The problem in the above two ayah’s is the wrong use of the "aw" between hudan and nasara.

Muhammad Asad has used it the correct way.

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/EnglishTranslations.htm

In the following ayah’s (I haven’t checked them all though.

Chapter 4 - 4:3; 4:24; 4:25; 4:36;
Chapter 16 - 16:71;
Chapter 23 - 23:6;
Chapter 24 - 24:31; 24:33; 24:58;
Chapter 30 - 30:28;
Chapter 33 - 33:50; 33:52; 33:55;
Chapter 70 - 70:30;



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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 07:05:52 PM »
Just to prove my point;

the greatest enmity which you quran alone believers will have will be from the Alims/mulahs/fundamentalist muslims who consider theselves so righteous the saved/pure because of their arrogance and of course those who do shirk.

simerlarly the quran fundamentaly teaching about Jesus is not god, the quranists faced the same dilema from those who considered themselves Saved by believing in Jesus is God or son of God-as the early quranic believers where very strong in their belief against it.


5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 08:32:15 PM »
If you wanted to know the real 'anti-jewish book'..
(Or should I say the most anti-semitic book to be politically correct??)

Try reading the Tanakh ...
The best part is; it's all originally written in Hebrew..

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The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
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And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 08:47:23 PM »
Edip-Layth - End Note 14 (5:51)

Verse 5:57 provides the characteristics of the people of the book, whom we are instructed not to ally ourselves with. Muslims should not ally themselves with those who insult their values or promote hatred against them. Obviously, this instruction is in the context of religious conflict; not in the context of social, personal, or financial relationship. There are righteous people among the people of the book (3:113; 3:199: 5:69). Eating their food or marriage with them is permitted (5:5). Verses 5:57 and 60:7-9 are among the verses that provide us with basic principles in dealing with others.

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Rashad Khalifa - End Note 9 (5:51)
Relations with other people are governed by the basic rule in5:57 &60:8-9.The Jews and Christians who cannot be friends are specifically mentioned in5:57; they are the oneswho mock and ridicule the believers, or attack them.

60:7 Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Omnipotent. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

60:8 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.

60:9 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them are the transgressors.

2:62 Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 05:18:38 AM »
If you wanted to know the real 'anti-jewish book'..
(Or should I say the most anti-semitic book to be politically correct??)

Try reading the Tanakh ...
The best part is; it's all originally written in Hebrew..

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I believe you, just like hitlers ragime-master race.
Mind saying that it happens even in say pakistan , india but somewhat on a smaller scale between sects, and religions.

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 05:28:11 AM »
Edip-Layth - End Note 14 (5:51)

Verse 5:57 provides the characteristics of the people of the book, whom we are instructed not to ally ourselves with. Muslims should not ally themselves with those who insult their values or promote hatred against them. Obviously, this instruction is in the context of religious conflict; not in the context of social, personal, or financial relationship. There are righteous people among the people of the book (3:113; 3:199: 5:69). Eating their food or marriage with them is permitted (5:5). Verses 5:57 and 60:7-9 are among the verses that provide us with basic principles in dealing with others.

Rashad Khalifa - The Final Testament
Rashad Khalifa - End Note 9 (5:51)
Relations with other people are governed by the basic rule in5:57 &60:8-9.The Jews and Christians who cannot be friends are specifically mentioned in5:57; they are the oneswho mock and ridicule the believers, or attack them.

60:7 Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Omnipotent. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

60:8 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.

60:9 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them are the transgressors.

2:62 Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

I agree, but i think they also mean that Muslims are people of the book aswell !? i think no Muslim Cleric will tolerate a Quranist . Quranists are probably seen far worse then others as they are ripping there world view.

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 05:58:15 AM »
Peace be with you as well,
It would be the actions of the Jews which would have lead some of them to being condemned.

-Breaking  their covenants 2:100
-Breaking the Sabbath 7:163
-Disregarding God's message 2:62 and going against it 2:85
-Lying about God's Commandments/Not being righteous 3:75
-Disbelieving in Jesus their Messiah, and saying bad things about his mother 4:156
-Disbelieving in other messengers and killing them 2:87
-Disbelieving in the Quran, partly because of jealousy 2:90
-God condemned them because of their unbelief 2:88

Even from the bible itself, i think a dozen prophets came to the children of Israel calling them back to God(before the exile i think) , and Jesus came, and they disbelieved in him also...

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (Mathew 23:37-9
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 06:13:57 AM »
Peace be with you as well,
It would be the actions of the Jews which would have lead some of them to being condemned.

-Breaking  their covenants 2:100
-Breaking the Sabbath 7:163
-Disregarding God's message 2:62 and going against it 2:85
-Lying about God's Commandments/Not being righteous 3:75
-Disbelieving in Jesus their Messiah, and saying bad things about his mother 4:156
-Disbelieving in other messengers and killing them 2:87
-Disbelieving in the Quran, partly because of jealousy 2:90
-God condemned them because of their unbelief 2:88

Even from the bible itself, i think a dozen prophets came to the children of Israel calling them back to God(before the exile i think) , and Jesus came, and they disbelieved in him also...

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (Mathew 23:37-9

Just because the details of one community are given , does it mean all others are sinless?

The above does surely apply to every community in the world, no?

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2012, 08:08:33 AM »
I doubt very much if this is wrong, but my apologies if it is.

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For some reason when a person considers himself or herself a puritan/saved/superior he will consider others inferior and will not give them the retro-respect they deserve. Some Christians are in this category and Jews and Muslims and Hindus ……..but because the previous ayah’s are talking about the Christians the following are as well.


2:140

Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were saved/repented  Nazarenes? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

5:82;

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Saved/Repented Nazarenes and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

The problem in the above two ayah’s is the wrong use of the "aw" between hudan and nasara.

Muhammad Asad has used it the correct way.

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/EnglishTranslations.htm

In the following ayah’s (I haven’t checked them all though.

Chapter 4 - 4:3; 4:24; 4:25; 4:36;
Chapter 16 - 16:71;
Chapter 23 - 23:6;
Chapter 24 - 24:31; 24:33; 24:58;
Chapter 30 - 30:28;
Chapter 33 - 33:50; 33:52; 33:55;
Chapter 70 - 70:30;

The Koran seperates between believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians. Faith in the Quran is individualistic.
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2012, 06:13:59 PM »
The Koran seperates between believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians. Faith in the Quran is individualistic.

Of course, there are the bani israel and the Nazrenes, but ALYAHOUD are a altogether different cattle of fish-i think.

They are the Saved  "once saved always saved", whether christians or Muslims they believe they are the saved and they will show the most enmity to your faith as you are not of the saved if your  belief is that only righteousnes saves the day irrespective of what they call themselves.

Most Muslims have this belief also, but the quran is talking about righteousnes saving you - i think.


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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2012, 01:49:47 AM »
Of course, there are the bani israel and the Nazrenes, but ALYAHOUD are a altogether different cattle of fish-i think.

They are the Saved  "once saved always saved", whether christians or Muslims they believe they are the saved and they will show the most enmity to your faith as you are not of the saved if your  belief is that only righteousnes saves the day irrespective of what they call themselves.

Most Muslims have this belief also, but the quran is talking about righteousnes saving you - i think.

When the Quran talks about the yahood being the enemies its talking about those who disbelieved among them and are arrogant. Mostly the Quran is refering to the many elements of the Pharisaic tradition.

2.80 And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from God, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of God what ye do not know?"

This is not in the Torah but its refering to the Talmud. The supposed "oral" traditions the Rabbis say was passed down to them. The Talmud are the collections of the traditions of the so called Pharisees talked about in the Gospel who were fierce opponents of Jesus the Messiah.
 
The Rabbinic tradition arose from the Pharisaic tradition after the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. In general, it moved away from traditional Judaism's emphasis on an earthly future for Israel toward the concept of reward in the life to come.[4] Gehinom (Gehenna), according to rabbinic literature, is a place or state where the wicked are temporarily punished after death. “Gehenna” is sometimes translated as "hell", but the Christian view of hell differs from the Jewish view of Gehenna. Most sinners are said to suffer in Gehenna no longer than twelve months.Those who are too wicked to reach paradise are sometimes said to be punished forever.[5] Other accounts reject the idea that a merciful God would punish anyone forever,[6] in which case those too wicked for purification are destroyed (see annihilationism)
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Also in the Talmud:

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

The Koran condemned this:
 3.75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it.

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

4.156 Quran
That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.

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The Schindler's List Quote

The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.

The book on Hebrew censorship, written by Jews themselves (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that some Talmud texts use the universalist phrase:

"Whoever destroys the life of a single human being...it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ...it is as if he had preserved an entire world."

However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.

In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler's List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.

In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.

The Koran tells us about this and condemns this:

5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...

The koran tells us:

4.157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

The Talmud then say:

Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

The koran responds by:

And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113

“Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first” - (Babba Bathra 54b)
 
“If two Jews have deceived a Non-Jew, they have to split the profit” - (Choschen Ham 183,7)
 
“Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin” - (Babha Kama 113a)
 
“The Jew is allowed to practice usury on the Non-Jew” - (Talmud IV/2/70b)
 
The koran then says:
 
4.160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from God's Way;-
4.161. That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.

Note: The Torah forbids the Jews from the devouring of Usury ("neshek").See the Old Testament Ex. 22: 25;
Le. 25: 36-37; De. 23:19-20; Ne. 5: 7/10; Ps. 15: 5; Pr. 28:8
 


However we must also remember that faith in the Quran is individualistic:

4.162. But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in God and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward

Notice the use of the Quran of the term "among them" . There are believers among them and non believers among them.
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2012, 02:36:56 AM »
Hi Bigmo,

i agree with what your saying accept Yahood are not just jews, the word comes from the root guidance- Hidaya or something Yahood are those (who believe ) they have the perfect guidance or the Saved, they don't have anything to be punished for as - christ saved them by going on the cross- irrespective of their sinning.
Although there are other groups now who fall under the same category, sure there must be some jews aswell as Muslims and others too with this belief.

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2012, 03:16:18 AM »
Peace 357.

God in the Koran condemns some " Yahood" for saying- GOD s hand is stingy-...How can they all have perfect guidance?

 Also There is no intercession according to the Koran, no one can save anyone else. How come Christ has saved the "Yahood"?

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2012, 04:06:33 AM »
Peace 357.

God in the Koran condemns some " Yahood" for saying- GOD s hand is stingy-...How can they all have perfect guidance?

 Also There is no intercession according to the Koran, no one can save anyone else. How come Christ has saved the "Yahood"?

Peace.

Of course Christ can't save them , but that is what they say and believe.

But where does it say God is stingy?

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2012, 06:30:02 AM »
Peace 357.

5:64 :  The "Yahood" said :" GOD s hand is tied down ( stingy)". It is their hands that are tied down. God has condemned them for saying such blasphemy... "

Also you find "yahood " mentioned in 5:18  and 5:51 in a negative tone.

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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2012, 07:55:11 AM »
Peace 357.

5:64 :  The "Yahood" said :" GOD s hand is tied down ( stingy)". It is their hands that are tied down. God has condemned them for saying such blasphemy... "

Also you find "yahood " mentioned in 5:18  and 5:51 in a negative tone.

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Why they are not a single communitee is ;

5:82
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find those who are the Yahud and those who do shirk; and surely you will find the nearest OF THEM in affection to those who believe, are those who (only) say, "We are Nazarenes" that because among THEM are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.


You can't single out a communitee like in this ayah, but you can single out the baddies in a comunitee.

Now you need to check up the meaning of YAHuD, if you have the time in lanes or something under root Hud

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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2012, 08:38:31 AM »
Peace 357.

I did say " some". In every community there are those who believe and those who do not.

" Yahud" those who have been saved . GOD saved them many times. But HE also warned them " If you return to your ways ( wicked ways) We go back to our punishment.

I was only pointing this to you.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2012, 09:06:28 AM »
Peace 357.

I did say " some". In every community there are those who believe and those who do not.

" Yahud" those who have been saved . GOD saved them many times. But HE also warned them " If you return to your ways ( wicked ways) We go back to our punishment.

I was only pointing this to you.
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Scholars and "bible experts" say the name Jew was only applied to the tribe of Judah (Yahudah in the Hebrew). So, Moses could not have been a Jew because he was from the tribe of Levi making him a Levite (NUM 26:59). Those that were from the tribe of Yahudah, were known as Yahudites in Hebrew or Judahites in English, not Jews, and Yahudites only made up 1/12th of the nation of Israel.

The word/name "JEW" is not a Hebrew word, it's English. There is no letter "J" or "J" equivalent in the Hebrew language. As a matter of fact, the letter "J" is one of the last letters to be added to the English alphabet. It was created in the 1600's in France, so there was not a letter "J" in existence during biblical times. In English, Jew means, those who practice a religion called Judaism. Since the ancient Hebrews didn't practice a religion called Judaism, the name Jew could not refer to the biblical children of Israel or their modern day descendants.

The word "ISRAELI" is not mentioned in scripture. Israeli only refers to a citizen or resident living in the modern "STATE" of Israel. Israeli does not mean a descendant of Jacob, (Yaaqob in Hebrew) who's name was changed to Israel (Genesis 32:28). An Israeli and an Israelite are two different things.

Neither can the word "SEMITE" be found in the bible. The biblical Israelites were Hebrews descendants from Shem, (Noah's son) through Abraham and through his son Isaac and through Isaac's son Jacob (Yaaqob / Israel). Israel had 12 sons who were all Hebrews (Deuteronomy 29:13). Neither Noah, Abraham, Isaac nor Jacob gave birth to a son named Seme or Sem. This means that the Semites could not be descendants of Abraham, Isaac, or Israel. So, it follows that they could not be Israelites, according to scripture.

There was never a tribe among the children of Israel called Sem or Semite. There were only twelve tribes of Israel:

REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, YAHUDAH, ZEBULON, ISSCAHAR, DAN, GAD, ASHER, NAPHTALI, JOSEPH, and BENJAMIN (Genesis 49:).

All twelve tribes were Hebrew Israelites, Hebrews because they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac, and Israelites because they also descended from Jacob who's name was change to Israel (Genesis 32:28).

The Hebrews could be called Children of Shem to designate that they are descendants from Noah's son Shem, but not Semite, that not a proper term in reference to the Israelites.

Semite is of relative recent origin. It comes from the 18th century (along with the word Jew). One of its uses was to designate those who spoke a certain language, such as Syrian, Hebrew, and Arabic. The name was given an extra meaning later, to include all those people who were "SUPPOSED" to be descendants of Noah's son Shem (not Sem). Over the years, Semite has come to mean Jew and Jew only. So, in modern day terminology Semite is synonymous with Jew or Jews.

If the Jews are Semites, which they claim to be, this means they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, which means they are not Israelites. Semite is a word made up by deceived men with little understanding of The Bible and should never be used in reference to the biblical Hebrew Israelites. It will only cause further confusion, to an already confused world, and since YHWH never refers to Israel as: JEWS, ISRAELI OR SEMITE, we shouldn't either.

http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/nationality.htm

Yahudah “Judah” was the Hebrew son of Isaac and Leah. The name Yahudah was derived from the Hebrew Yahdah spelled in strong’s concordance as yadah meaning to praise with the extended hand. It is a combination of two words Yah the name of the heavenly Father U meaning the people and dah which means to lift up or celebrate or the command “Yah you praise”. Unfortunately the translators removed the prefix from the name Yah and substituted it with the King James Middle English “J” thus making it Judah. Ultimately, Yahudah means praised or lift up you YAH.  However, what does “Judah” mean lift up or praised “J” Selah! Who is J? Well let’s stick with its origin and Praise you Yah! Praise You Yah! HalleuYah!

Note- since Yahudah is a name it should have remained in its pure form which gives it the true meaning void of any type of substitution. The name was changed primarily to suit a religious purpose.

 

Understanding the Biblical Usage of the term Jew

 

The children of the Yisrael were not called Jews only the southern Kingdom of Yisrael primarily the tribe of Yahudah “Judah” could be called “Jew” if you choose to utilize the Hellenistic substitution of Yahudah. Furthermore, after the sin of King Shelomoh “Solomon”, the nation was divided into the Northern Yisrael (Yahrushalayim) and the southern Yahudah “Judea”.

 

1Ki 11:31-32  And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith Yahwah, the Elohiym of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:  (32)  (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)

 

Therefore, the usage of the term Jew to make reference to the whole nation of Yisrael is in accurate and erroneous since the particular term does not make reference to the other ten tribes. The ten tribes went into Assyrian captivity and never returned due to the acts of rebellion against the laws of Yahwah. See discussion on Esau’s revenge

http://www.malakiyah.org/index_files/UnderstandingTheJews.htm
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2012, 09:40:43 AM »
Peace Bigmo.

Thanks for that detailed piece of info.

I agree as far as history goes with your definitions.
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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 06:10:59 AM »
Salam

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bigmo for his detailed explanations of what the OT and NT is concerned. Thank you for sharing with us your knowledge! i learned to much from your posts. God may reward you! peace :)

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Re: Does the author of the quran realy dislike the jews for all time?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 11:26:07 AM »
I wouldn't dare to say if there is a mistranslation or not, but actually I can't acept all ages jews were condemned. On the contrary I consider them monotheistic, and thus "muslims".
Sorry if I'm wrong. God knows more.

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