Evidence for your faith/belief ?

[Student of Allah]

Shalom Aleikhem,

peace be with you as well

By the way, you have actually attempted at giving us a hint towards non-subjective reasoning for your faith. Would you mind demonstrating that with evidence ? May be in a new thread if you so wish ?

Peace
---------- Student of Allah

[Wakas]

salaam/peace all,

http://www.quran434.com/Does-God-Exist.pdf

[Student of Allah]

salaam/peace all,

http://www.quran434.com/Does-God-Exist.pdf

Shalom Aleikhem,

Thanks for sharing that although I already read that long time back. Probably you shared the link in some other topic somewhere in any of the past threads.

I was thinking about starting an investigation on the scientific part of that pdf. Not only the ones you mentioned, there are even more. How much of it is real, and how much is the twisting of words and their meaning to derive a desired outcome. It would be nice to put them to the test.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

[Lena]

Salaam Student of Allah   I was thinking the same thing.
There are not only 2 options for how the Quran came to be written - a 3rd option is extra terrestials - other forms of intelligent life!  JUst because we can't think of other options doesn't mean they don't exist.
   It could also be argued by Christians that their Bible brought about the unity of savage tribes (even more savage than the Bedouins!) For example the Maori tribes in Aotearoa-New Zealand were cannibals who gave up such practices as a result of converting to christianity. Also there is still a lot of tribalism practised in Islamic countries and this still causes conflicts and imbalances of power, so the unity is not to the same extent as Christianized western societies who are completely detribalised.
   It's my understanding that in fact Mohammed was not illiterate as claimed by corrupted Muslims and popular literary works especially rhyme and poetry are not always the product of academic achievers.
   How can we be certain that the reference to the moon splitting is a metaphor? On judgement day perhaps the mountains will literally crumble and the moon will literally split. Or it could also split in the future from other as yet unknown forces in space. Or could the splitting refer to an eclipse that covered half the moon? 
  The preserved body of Pharoah - preserving bodies was the custom of the Egyptians, so it is not hard to conclude that the bodies would be around in the future.
  O you jinns and humans ......  people who believe in spirits also believe they inhabit the heavens, the earth, the trees etc its a big leap to hypothesise that this can only refer to space travel.
  The Quran is fully preserved and intact - where are the parchments that Mohamed wrote on? Who put the first Quran together as we know it today - was it Mohammed? Where is that first Quran? Was it burnt? What year is the earliest Quran (in Istanbul? in Yemen?) dated?
   Islam is the fastest growing religion - is that True Islam (i.e the original form of Islam "worshipping of God Alone") or the corrupted Islam - the idol worshipping religion of Mohammedism?
   28:85  Many refugees have the hope and determination that one day they will triumph and return home in a much better condition than when they left.

Re no scientific information proven to be incorrect - just taking one of these examples - the embryo- would the stages of development be obvious when dissecting human remains in various stages of pregnancy? Isn't fluid (sperm) also a reasonably obvious connection to pregnancy even for people who lived 1,400 years ago. People in those days could navigate as accurately as we do now through their knowledge of the stars, prevailing winds etc. People (or extra terrestials!)  from even earlier times had the mathmatical and scientific knowledge to build the pyraimids and Stone henge. Mathematics, especially numerology was their fundamental way of seeing the world.  People of the past knew all the medicinal qualities of their native plants - people of the past were extremely knowledgeable in so many ways! So much of this knowledge has now been been lost, that we are not even aware of it's existence.

I am not disputing the authenticity of the Quran as the word of God, just the examples that have been given to "prove" this.

[Mr.Q]

I have always had the idea that God existed since I was a small child but never had what could be called "evidence" until I really started reading Intelligent Design arguments and that set a light off in my head/heart, so to speak. Intelligent Design is a completely rational, logical, scientific based argument for the existence of our Creator that is not dependent upon any kind of Scripture.

The only absolutely irrefutable evidence for God would be to see Him personally but that is not something we can do in this universe. It really comes down to a preponderance of the circumstantial evidence available to us, IMO. Some call that faith or belief and it depends on how much "evidence" an individual looks at or uses for the surety of such faith. For me, the structure of universe, the structure of our bodies and all living things, DNA, the structure of cells, microbiology, biology and chemistry all point towards a Creator. I always viewed the argument that there is an irreducible complexity to these things that random, purposeless, chance cannot account for. Hence the only rational, logical conclusion is God exists and He is the Creator. (this is a very abbreviated argument here)

Some very good, short, easily readable books on this is Darwins Black Box by Michael Behe and Signs of Itelligence by Behe and James Kushiner. They are scientists who put forth a non theological, scientific argument for the existence of a Creator and they make it easy for the average reader to understand the science behind it. For me, they were, among some other books too, absolutely profound in cementing my belief in the existence of God.

[Jafar]

The only absolutely irrefutable evidence for God would be to see Him personally but that is not something we can do in this universe.

Really?? And why is that?
How do you think 'we can see or cannot see' God?
And why do you think we cannot do it in this universe? thus it's possible in other universe?
And what is "God" to you?

[Mr.Q]

Really?? And why is that?
How do you think 'we can see or cannot see' God?
And why do you think we cannot do it in this universe? thus it's possible in other universe?
And what is "God" to you?

So when Moses came to Our appointed time, and his Lord spoke to him, he said: "My Lord, let me look upon you." He said: "You will not see Me, but look upon the mountain, if it stays in its place then you will see Me." So when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain, He made it crumble; thus Moses fell unconscious. When he awoke, he said: "Glory be to You, I repent to You and I am the first of those who believe." (7:143)

Similarly 53:1-18, 2:55, 4:153

God is our Creator, the Almighty etc. Is that a trick question? 

[Zulf]

Proof and evidence is anyway a tricky thing. It means different things depending on how "foggy your vision" is. If you cant see you cant see.

[IAMOP]

Whether something exists or not can only be relative to something beyond existence altogether. That something (i.e. absolute reality/truth) is given the name "God".
Rephrased: All things are born and they die. For this to happen there must be something unborn and deathless to witness & control these creations and destructions. We call this God.
Rephrase again: All change happens against an unchanging background.

Ch114 of the quran wraps this up eloquently: All things depend on one uncreated self to which nothing can be equal to nor does it create equals. See the redundancy? You can reduce this to 'one absolute uncreated self'.

The flaw of non-belief or agnosticism is that they assume non-reality to be the absolute reality then wonder how this "came out of nothing".

[36:77] Does not man see that We have created him from the small seed? Then lo! he is an open disputant.
[36:78] And he strikes out a likeness for Us and forgets his own creation. Says he: Who will give life to the bones when they are rotten?

You don't need anything more than this to be certain of God. All one must do is rewind their life back to birth and look at the emptiness behind that. To grasp this is to grasp peace. In Zen there is a saying: What does your face look like before you are born? 

[Student of Allah]

I have always had the idea that God existed since I was a small child but never had what could be called "evidence" until I really started reading Intelligent Design arguments and that set a light off in my head/heart, so to speak. Intelligent Design is a completely rational, logical, scientific based argument for the existence of our Creator that is not dependent upon any kind of Scripture.

The only absolutely irrefutable evidence for God would be to see Him personally but that is not something we can do in this universe. It really comes down to a preponderance of the circumstantial evidence available to us, IMO. Some call that faith or belief and it depends on how much "evidence" an individual looks at or uses for the surety of such faith. For me, the structure of universe, the structure of our bodies and all living things, DNA, the structure of cells, microbiology, biology and chemistry all point towards a Creator. I always viewed the argument that there is an irreducible complexity to these things that random, purposeless, chance cannot account for. Hence the only rational, logical conclusion is God exists and He is the Creator. (this is a very abbreviated argument here)

Some very good, short, easily readable books on this is Darwins Black Box by Michael Behe and Signs of Itelligence by Behe and James Kushiner. They are scientists who put forth a non theological, scientific argument for the existence of a Creator and they make it easy for the average reader to understand the science behind it. For me, they were, among some other books too, absolutely profound in cementing my belief in the existence of God.

Shalom Aleikhem,

I am teleporting this to another thread which is more appropriate for discussing that. Meet me there if you wish. I will reply to your comment there.

Link: Evolution or Intelligent design ?

Peace
---------- Student of Allah