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Do you think its about time ?
Student of Allah:
--- Quote from: es on May 29, 2012, 07:02:14 PM ---Aleikhem shalom "Student of Allah",
Atah medaber ivrit?
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Shalom Aleikhem eh,
Lo, Ani Lo Medaber !! :-\ Dont ask me why.
Peace
------------ Student of Allah
ayman:
--- Quote from: Student of Allah on May 28, 2012, 01:17:43 AM ---I recently came across this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6XzDkS7oM&feature=related
These people are discussing if hadiths contradict the Qur'an or each other. This tells me that raising awareness and sharing knowledge and inviting others is working !! Praise due to God. Qur'an alone muslims are the minorities of the minorities... yet we managed to make them discuss this topic.
The bad news being, I remember seeing a video by sheikh Yusuf Estes. He was warning people about Qur'an alone believers with his own made up fantasized facts. By the way, he is so confused... he thinks we all are followers of Rashad Khalifa and Code 19.
I saw another video by Sheikh Feiz...oh God...this guy is the most severely demented anti-Quranist. Just to refute us, he distorts the Qur'an, misquotes, and not to mention, defends authenticity of hadiths using hadiths !!!
What are you thoughts ? How much change have you noticed in the islamic world (media) ? Would you agree that Islamic reformation is near ?
Peace
------------ Student of Allah
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The Quran alone movement has been growing at an accelerated pace over the past 20 years. Back in the 80s I used to be the only one I know who rejected hadiths and only followed the Quran. Now it is very widespread. In Egypt it gained momentum after a well respected religious thinker, Dr. Mustafa Mahmud, rejected Hadiths starting with those promoting idolatorous intercession. Now this topic often shows up on talk shows. The only issue is that some of the figures associated with the movement are also promoting some form or another of Code 19 numerology. This opens them up for being shredded to pieces since all numerology is inevitably full of holes and inconsistencies.
Peace,
Ayman
Student of Allah:
--- Quote from: ayman on May 29, 2012, 08:21:56 PM ---The Quran alone movement has been growing at an accelerated pace over the past 20 years. Back in the 80s I used to be the only one I know who rejected hadiths and only followed the Quran. Now it is very widespread. In Egypt it gained momentum after a well respected religious thinker, Dr. Mustafa Mahmud, rejected Hadiths starting with those promoting idolatorous intercession. Now this topic often shows up on talk shows. The only issue is that some of the figures associated with the movement are also promoting some form or another of Code 19 numerology. This opens them up for being shredded to pieces since all numerology is inevitably full of holes and inconsistencies.
Peace,
Ayman
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Although I do not have any evidence for this, but I believe that decent number of Qur'an alone believers were there in every generation. It is just that, the world is so much more connected since the 80's. Now, a person who notices the true nature of Hadith can actually google and find other people who noticed and wrote about it. A person who read the Qur'an and came to the saw for her/himself that only Qur'an is to be followed, even they can find like minded people over the internet. This does not demonstrate that now the numbers have increased, but that now there is a social-network between minorities. (Not disagreeing that numbers have increased over time)
If only code 19 and RK would not be confused with the rest of us. The thing is, even if those numerology things are genuine, one does not need them to see why Qur'an alone is the way....simply reading the Qur'an without injecting hadiths demonstrates it.
Peace
------------- Student of Allah
IAMOP:
If anything there was a veil of fear/social isolation that is fast losing its power. Say there were 10 quran adherents in a group of 100 "Muslims" the nature of the majority is to conceal any opposition to the system by calling people disbelievers; punishable by death. So each of those 10 people would feel as if they were 1 in 100 even though the truth is very different.
"Although I do not have any evidence for this, but I believe that decent number of Qur'an alone believers were there in every generation."
I agree with that because it's just the natural truth. Anyone honest to themselves who cares about the hereafter will naturally find this path because it's literally God's path.
You don't actually need any evidence aside from the quran. Keep in mind:
[56:77] Most surely it is an honored Quran,
[56:78] In a book that is protected
[56:79] None shall touch it save the purified ones.
Anyone can attest to this: if you interpret the quran through any other framework but the absolute truth suddenly there is a total veil over its meanings. Notice that if you try to debate for instance, the legitimacy of hadeeth, people will always tell you to contact a scholar. They will never be able to answer for themselves because the book becomes totally cloudy & contradictory when you try to bend it to a preconception.
The reformation is inevitable, it's a snowball rolling down a hill. Doesn't matter how big the snowball is now, it's going.
[2:148] And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.
good logic:
Did this momentum of rejecting hadith ... start with RK?
In fact some of the Koran was not understood until after RK?
Of course all this process is guided by the "Author of the Koran".
For example:
Who is the messenger of 3:81 ?
Here are some translations of RK;
( I put my own words in between and in brackets!)
Everything is fine without God? With GOD and others? With GOD ALONE?
23:62 We never burden anyone beyond their means, and We record the truth ( about each individual). No one will suffer injustice.
( Does everyone know this? Should they?)
23:63 Because their minds are oblivious to this, they commit works that do not conform with justice; Their works are evil.
23:64 Then when disaster stikes them, they complain.
23:64 Do not complain now; ( you decided to go it alone, you do not need GOD) You have given up all help from us now.
( Totally loyal to God? or Independent from GOD? You choose? )
23:66 My proofs ( that the Scripture is from GOD) have been presented to you, but you turned back on your heels
23:67 You were too arrogant to accept them, and you defiantly disregarded them.
( What proof? Which Scripture? When?
)
23:68 Why do they not reflect on this Scripture? Do they not realise that they ( this 21 st century generation) have received something never attained by their parents?
( Is there a Scientific/Mathematical proof ? How? )
23:69 Have they failed to recognise their messenger? ( The messenger of the Covenant -0f Malachi Chapter 3- And Of 3:81.) Is this why they are disregarding him.
Of course there are many more throughout the scripture.
Some may claim they have different explanations or they know Arabic better. However the Teacher of the Koran, your Lord and mine says HE explains the Koran:
41:44″ If We made it a non- Arabic Koran,( scripture) they would have said why did it come down in that language.( Whatever language GOD chooses, there is always those who want it in a different one?) Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic ( It happens to be Arabic because the messenger was Arab! GOD sent the Torah in Hebrew, the language of the children of Israel and Jesus spoke Aramaic ,so the Gospel came in Aramaic) Say: For those who believe, it is a guide and healing; As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it ( Even if they were pure Arabs!) as if they were addressed from far away. ( Nowadays no language is a barrier! The message is more important than the language! More importantly if GOD is the author, HE guides with HIS words those who choose to be guided?)
It is about time, the believer reflects on every word of GOD , otherwise:
41:41″ Those who have rejected the Koran s proof ( From this generation) have also rejected an honourable book. (A message from your Creator!)
Your Creator does not compromise HIS words.
Peace
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