Extent of projection

[Zulf]

Sometimes I wonder how much of people's understanding of the quran and all concepts therein are projections from other sources and not the original meaning. Such sources could be hadith, bible, historical legends, faulty historical "truths", religious and historical fabrications, fairytales...

When I see how drastically the message can change just by aligning some words in the quran with each other through cross reference, I wonder much much or how little we actually have it right.

We have terms like insan, nas, jinn, malaika, "people of the book", "jews & christians", haroot, maroot, gibraeel & mikaeel, dhul qarnain, injeel, kauther, "smokeless fire", salsabeel, kaaba, bakka, msr, isa, iblees, shaytan... etc^etc... that many brave, honest and hard working people are working on to find out what they are.

I wonder how much we THINK we know, but that are actually just assumptions in lack of any better understanding. It is a great leap from sunnism to "quranism".... what sort of leap is it from the "current state" of quranism to a much better understanding?

Sometimes one can find clues and new directions when reading "research" by people of other religions (or atheists). Their goal is not seldom biased... to disprove islam, quran, muhammad, god or similar... but all they write may not be lies and fabrications. Sometimes they would present some inconvenient truth... which would disrupt traditional islam, but perhaps would support the quran. Cannot really give any examples. I've hardly put in any scholarly time into research myself up till now (apart from reading lots of mtrl on this forum, which I find is a marvelous gold mine), but I suspect things are certainly not what they seem... especially in religion.

peace

[good logic]

Peace Zulf

Who better to ask than the "Author of the Koran", "Teacher of the Koran" Your Lord.

The simple criteria is " Submit sincerely" and off you go!

But be patient HE is going to try your true conviction. Persevere and stay loyal to your Creator.
Good luck.
Peace

[Bigmo]

Sometimes I wonder how much of people's understanding of the quran and all concepts therein are projections from other sources and not the original meaning. Such sources could be hadith, bible, historical legends, faulty historical "truths", religious and historical fabrications, fairytales...

When I see how drastically the message can change just by aligning some words in the quran with each other through cross reference, I wonder much much or how little we actually have it right.

We have terms like insan, nas, jinn, malaika, "people of the book", "jews & christians", haroot, maroot, gibraeel & mikaeel, dhul qarnain, injeel, kauther, "smokeless fire", salsabeel, kaaba, bakka, msr, isa, iblees, shaytan... etc^etc... that many brave, honest and hard working people are working on to find out what they are.

I wonder how much we THINK we know, but that are actually just assumptions in lack of any better understanding. It is a great leap from sunnism to "quranism".... what sort of leap is it from the "current state" of quranism to a much better understanding?

Sometimes one can find clues and new directions when reading "research" by people of other religions (or atheists). Their goal is not seldom biased... to disprove islam, quran, muhammad, god or similar... but all they write may not be lies and fabrications. Sometimes they would present some inconvenient truth... which would disrupt traditional islam, but perhaps would support the quran. Cannot really give any examples. I've hardly put in any scholarly time into research myself up till now (apart from reading lots of mtrl on this forum, which I find is a marvelous gold mine), but I suspect things are certainly not what they seem... especially in religion.

peace

I think this has to do with those who interpret the Quran on linguism alone and do not look at context, logic and priority. The Quran says about itself as a Book of guidance and an exposition of all things and is detailed and made clear for mankind to comprehend. But it also says there are explicit and implict verses. Often we think we have the need to understand everything in it when that is impossible. And in doing so we give the Sects a big stick to hit us with as they can then claim the Koran without hadith can not be understood. There are many explicit verses of the Koran and what the Koran wants to make us understand it does so.

Whatever the Koran thinks is needed for our salvation it has made clear. The Sects meanwhile often speculate and spin the verses.

A good example is the constant debate about salat I see. I think many Quranist simply make life harder for themselves.

[Zulf]

Dear sirs, I agree.
And in the end Allah is the only one who can guide us... if we so sincerely desire.
Peace

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I like your ID icon, Zulf.