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DaresBears

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 02:27:24 AM »
well, DaresBears
4:16 might refer to punishing homosexuals.

Moreover:
Ponder over the use of the term Fahisha.
Both Same-sex intimacy AND Marrying a woman that was previously married to your biological father are deemed a FAHISHA (7:80 & 4:22).
Now from a superficial level, marying a woman that was previously married to your father does NOT seem like "fahisha" at all. Yet in God's sight is not only a fahisha, it is something disgusting/hated!

If God is so restrictive as to not allow this between a hetero-sex couple as that, do you not think he will restrict intimate relationships between same-sex couples? After all, both same-sex intimacy and marrying the previous wives of your father are called by the same term, a Fahisha (7:80 & 4:22).

And sure, you might find both of these intimate acts in nature, and on a superficial level, they might not seem wrong at all... However, that might not be so in God's sight"

".... you thought it was insignificant, however in the sight of God,  it was tremendous" (24:15)
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD weighs the hearts." (proverbs 21:2)

But that is not what i think, of course we should punish homosexual acts, because that comes under adultery. What i meant is, there is no punishment for simply being a homosexual. Now the real question is can people of the same sex marry? I don't think so.
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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 06:42:25 AM »
But that is not what i think, of course we should punish homosexual acts, because that comes under adultery. What i meant is, there is no punishment for simply being a homosexual. Now the real question is can people of the same sex marry? I don't think so.

Allow me to play "devils advocate" here for a minute. A Marriage is actually two things. It is a spiritual union between a man, woman and God but it is also a legally binding contract.

For the sake of argument, lets agree that God would not bless or approve of a gay "marriage". The real question is does a Government have a moral right to deny two adults from entering into any legally binding contractual agreement?

Can the rights of any people be denied based on sexual orientation, appetites or desires? How would it be moral to tell a couple that they cannot contractually agree to rights of inheritance, visitation, division of property, mixing of property, insurance and tax benefits or penalties, etc? That is the real question.

For me, if I had to make the laws, if I was going to make a mistake in judgement/application, I would want to make it on the side of protecting and guaranteeing rights of people over denying them.

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 08:55:15 AM »
God has given us the free will to live our lives the way we see fit as long as it doesn't impinge on others rights.  Gay couple marrying doesn't impinge my rights in any way.   In a truly democratic society we need to recognize that people don't share the same beliefs or value systems.   On this ground, gay couple should not be denied the right to legally marry.   

Now, the issue is by making homosexual unions legal are we 'promoting' or 'endorsing' or "recognizing" that homosexuality is acceptable way of life per God's system?     

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 09:07:25 AM »
Peace Mr. Q.

Let us ask this question: Can you deny anyone the right to do anything they want?

Surely we should ask:  Is it right or is it wrong?

Of course everyone has the freedom of choice and they can do what they want.

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 09:21:04 AM »
Peace Mr. Q.

Let us ask this question: Can you deny anyone the right to do anything they want?

Surely we should ask:  Is it right or is it wrong?

Of course everyone has the freedom of choice and they can do what they want.

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although addressed to Mr. Q, my answers to your questions would be...

1) as long as it doesn't affect the rights of others then no, you cannot deny others the right to do what they want. 
2) is it right or wrong?   depends on who you ask.  what may be wrong for me, may be right for you.

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2012, 10:51:00 AM »
For things that are left to us. I agree.

For what GOD has defined as right or wrong. It does not depend on who you ask, because the command of GOD is a sacred duty.
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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 12:46:36 PM »

For what GOD has defined as right or wrong. It does not depend on who you ask, because the command of GOD is a sacred duty.
Peace.

To an atheist, God's definition of right or wrong is not relevant or applicable.   You cannot impose God's definition on such a person.   There is no compulsion in following God's guidance of right or wrong. 

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2012, 12:54:36 PM »
Of course there is freedom of choice.

But the wrong is wrong and the right is right if  GOD has defined it as such.

I am not imposing anything on anyone.
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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 02:08:00 PM »
Of course there is freedom of choice.

But the wrong is wrong and the right is right if  GOD has defined it as such.

I am not imposing anything on anyone.
Peace.

Of course on the first two statements but on the last one, if you were in a position to write and enforce laws on society, can you/we morally deny nonbelievers or homosexuals the right of entering into any legal contract they wish too?

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Re: Whats your understanding on Qurans teachings on gay women and men?
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2012, 02:49:59 PM »
I will have to resign my position and let someone else make that decision. I have no problem with others having their rights.

My priority is " Does GOD approve?" When you are not certain, taking no decision is better than taking the wrong decision.

This is my personal answer since your question was directed my way.

My aim is " may the Lord guide me to do(know) better" every day.

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