The Word: it converts Abstract Realm into Physical Realm

[Mazhar]

The Word: it converts Abstract Realm into Physical Realm

[Zulf]

Interesting! This goes along very well with what one might call mind power. Through repetition of specific thoughts, or visualized images, or affirmed words and phrases, one can imprint new beliefs, or programs/code/tracks/grooves, onto one's subconscious mind, and thereby steering your outer reality in the direction you want. Simply put, Allah has gives us the capability to create our life by using the Word (conscious, deliberate and selected thoughts). The Word exists before it materializes into physical reality. For this to work efficiently enough, there are certain ways to go about it... techniques. It takes work and effort to control one's thoughts. Then things materialize by themselves according to Allah's system.

Peace

[Mr.Q]

Say: "I do not posses for myself any harm or benefit except what God wills. For every nation is a time. When their time comes, they cannot delay it one hour nor advance it." (10:49)

No misfortune can happen on earth, or in yourselves, except as it is decreed in a record, before We bring it about. This is easy for God to do. In order that you do not despair over anything that passes you by, nor be happy of anything He has bestowed upon you. God does not love those who are boastful, proud. (57:22,23)

We do not possess any ability to manifest any good or harm to ourselves. Not by thinking, meditating, focusing on words or by our deeds. Only what God decrees and Wills for us happens, no matter what we do and nothing can stop it from happening. (35:2)

[Zulf]

 

Say: "I do not posses for myself any harm or benefit except what God wills. For every nation is a time. When their time comes, they cannot delay it one hour nor advance it." (10:49)

Yea, except what God wills. And who knows exactly what God wills? Does anyone know all about what God wills? Who knows all about Gods ways and systems? Let's not think too high of ourselves. There are lots we don't know.

Let's understand that we cannot override Allah and Allahs system of justice. It doesn't mean we are but zombie vegetables.

No misfortune can happen on earth, or in yourselves, except as it is decreed in a record, before We bring it about. This is easy for God to do. In order that you do not despair over anything that passes you by, nor be happy of anything He has bestowed upon you. God does not love those who are boastful, proud. (57:22,23)

Is boastful and proud same as happy??? We should not be happy of what God has given us?? This is most definitely a wrong translation or interpretation. I guess we should be zombies then.

Allah tells us we should not despair, and we should trust in Allah and Allah's master scheme, which is for the betterment and justice of all. But we cannot be emotionless and unthankful for Allah's blessings.

We do not possess any ability to manifest any good or harm to ourselves. Not by thinking, meditating, focusing on words or by our deeds. Only what God decrees and Wills for us happens, no matter what we do and nothing can stop it from happening. (35:2)

Cool, so we can do anything and it won't affect us.... sounds reasonable. Let's forget about free will and doing good deeds then.

If I have not totally misunderstood your post, it seems you have no prior knowledge or experience with the powers of the mind. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Are there evidence pointing to that thinking thoughts in special ways have no effect on ones outer world? (apart from a human interpretation of the scripture). Where are the evidence that nullify all the practical evidence people have had consciously using their minds in anything from sports, to relationships and health?

Cheers


ps. if the tone of my post is felt as unpleasant, then I apologize for this. I'm just opposing the opinion put forth, not the person behind it. Peace!

[IAMOP]

Let's make a distinction between words, concepts and thoughts. Thoughts do not exist immaterially by any means, they are patterns of nerve connections, they are as physical as it gets. Just as the space inside of you is the same space outside of you, a thought inside of you is the same as a thought outside of you (e.g. these very thoughts written here).

Concepts on the other hand are immaterial and we know this through mathematics - we don't create them but rather we discover them. Words are kind of halfway between concepts and thoughts and as said, bridge the gap between abstract and physical. But words in themselves are physical because they too represent patterns of nerve connections.

Regardless, the purpose of the universe's creation and the abstract realm are really intimately connected. And likewise the defining feature of humanity or human knowledge is language, that which bridges abstract and tangible: we fit to the universe like a glove to a hand.

[Zulf]

Do thoughts only exist as patterns of nerve connections in the brain? Same thing for the soul then. 

[Mazhar]

"Thought" is an idea, plan, conception, or opinion produced by mental activity. It is obviously produced by analysing, associating-baking different bits of information recieved and stored in a special unknown "brain language" capable of retrieval in the form of words of cognizable language. Once we arrive at a "thought" phrased by the words of a language, the brain stores it in "his own language" with specific tagging and links whereby we can retrieve it-recall it for conveying orally or in writing to someone else, or executing it in which case it will be relayed to nerves in the neck area.
[and they will retain a copy of that act they relayed to the concerned body parts for execution-a very accurate and detailed scroll].

So "thought" is not but a tangible-physical reality. It is the "thought" that eventually makes or breaks a man.

   

[Zulf]

One can also see thoughts as whatever is in your mind. Daydreaming for example would be thoughts. Thoughts would be a vibration of energy that emanates from you, causing an effect like any other force. This is the way you can affect your circumstances through thinking.

Sounds unfamiliar? 

[Mr.Q]

Your brain waves are confined to your head. They don't emanate any "force" that can cause an effect in the natural word. It would be like saying the beating of your heart, which is no more than electrical impulses more "forceful" than the brains, could somehow cause and effect in the natural world.

If you think hard about something and it should happen, we didn't have anything to do with it. It's God alone who decides and causes effects to come about.

[Zulf]

Yes sir... what you are saying is partly true... but perhaps not the whole truth. Actually I'm not talking about brain waves here... they are, as you say, a phenomenon of the brain... actually I'm not talking about the brain in the first place... but the mind. Anyhow, let's just leave it like this. Allah is merciful and great... these other things are just details. And yes, Allah alone causes effects to occur... just like our typing here. Allah's ways are richer, more amazing and abundant that we can comprehend. Things that "science" haven't "proven" or have "consensus" on isn't necessarily fake. A great deal of the scientific community laughs at e.g. acupuncture.... Earth was once flat... etc etc.. let's keep an open mind. All doors, and their keys, belong to Allah.

Peace to you all