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Re: Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2012, 09:49:52 AM »
Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw  from this conversation.

Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.

May the Lord guide us to do better next time.

Peace.

Jinn are the psychopaths who rule the world, the sovereigns. Read this http://servantofthelight.com/content/view/8/29/  if you care
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” - Buddha

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Re: Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2012, 04:04:13 PM »
Thank you.
Rather than go around in circles, I shall withdraw  from this conversation.

Apologies, my family tree does not take me that far back. Am I "ins" or "bashar"? I only know that I am human.

May the Lord guide us to do better next time.

Peace.

salam سلام ,

apologies too if my analysis of the topic wasn't clear enough  , i still think and saw too that there are  issues in some of the points i mentioned .

whatever you are as long as you reflect the purpose of the search is to increase in knowledge = to increase in righteousness and to do and be good. Among "Al jinn" there are very good people as the Quran mentioned.

Anyway thanks too for the conversation .
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Re: Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2012, 05:23:44 AM »
salam سلام

  The first connection i saw is with the concept of evolution and the works of Darwin about this , in the Qaran it's clearly stated that "Adamادم"  who is a "Bachara بشرا " is a stage of creation caracterised by the blowing of the spirit into him , he is successors after " Al insan الأنسان " "human" but in the Quran its said also that  " Al insan الأنسان " "human"  was created first in a better shape and then they returned him in a lower degraded one , this statement from the Quran is diffidently mistaking Darwin theory about the origin of "Alinsan الأنسان "Human" being evolved from apes :

 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَانَ فِي أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ

ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَاهُ أَسْفَلَ سَافِلِينَ
95:4    We have created man "Alinsan الأنسان" in the best form.
95:5    Then We returned him to the lowest of the low ones.

To mention that the Arabic word "جعل "make"  mean transforming something to  something , also the word "خلق "  create" does not mean create from nothing
أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ
52:35    Or were they created from nothing? Or was it them who have created?

the second connection is with the concept of civilization and the geography of the prophets , as all the prophets are "Bachar بشر " and all of them preached in the same area , Adam was created from earth and lived in there
 مِنْهَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ وَفِيهَا نُعِيدُكُمْ وَمِنْهَا نُخْرِجُكُمْ تَارَةً أُخْرَى
20:55    From it We created you and in it We return you, and from it We bring you out another time

-"Spirit روح" was not given to Adam but blowing into him from it

-The paradise mentioned in the Quran where Adam was is in the earth

- The sin took place in earth not in the sky

salam to all سلام

the topic of the promised "paradise/ الفر دوس Alfirdaws" " /الجنه/ aljannah " were "Adamادم" was should be studied and  looked at according to "the true/alhakالحق" knowledge of "the interpretation of the verses that talk about the unseen الغيب/alghyeb :

ان الذين كذبوا باياتنا واستكبروا عنها لا تفتح لهم ابواب السماء ولا يدخلون الجنة حتى يلج الجمل في سم الخياط وكذلك نجزي المجرمين

7:40    Those who have denied Our revelations, and became arrogant towards them, the gates of the "alsamaaالسماء/ the sky /the heaven"  will not open for them, nor will they enter the Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.

فلما نسوا ما ذكروا به فتحنا عليهم ابواب كل شيء حتى اذا فرحوا بما اوتوا اخذناهم بغتة فاذا هم مبلسون
6:44    So when they forgot what they had been reminded of, We opened for them the gates of all opportunities; and when they were happy with what they were given, We took them suddenly! They were confounded.

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Re: Adam was not the first "Humain" in earth .
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2012, 12:17:20 PM »
Peace be with you as well,
well, Adam might have been a forefather to the human race.
Surely humans have evolved from their precedents (7:69)

Salam سلام ,

the verse you mentioned talk about the "community قوم" of " Aad عاد" the successors after "Noahنوح"  these communities and the ones who come after them that Quaran mention : "Tamoud تمود " " Median مدين" the comunity of moses ,lot ..etc are all classified in the Quran as children of Adam , they are named " bachar"

لَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَبَأُ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ قَوْمِ نُوحٍ وَعَادٍ وَثَمُودَ وَالَّذِينَ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَرَدُّواْ أَيْدِيَهُمْ فِي أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَقَالُواْ إِنَّا كَفَرْنَا بِمَا أُرْسِلْتُم بِهِ وَإِنَّا لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا تَدْعُونَنَا إِلَيْهِ مُرِيبٍ

قَالَتْ رُسُلُهُمْ أَفِي اللَّهِ شَكٌّ فَاطِرِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ يَدْعُوكُمْ لِيَغْفِرَ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُؤَخِّرَكُمْ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى قَالُواْ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلاَّ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا تُرِيدُونَ أَن تَصُدُّونَا عَمَّا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ آبَاؤُنَا فَأْتُونَا بِسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ 

14:9    Did not news come to you of those before you: the people of Noah, and 'Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said: "We are rejecting what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to."
14:10    Their messengers said: "Is there doubt regarding God, the initiator of the heavens and the earth? He invites you so that He may forgive some of your sins, and delay you to an appointed term." They said: "You are merely "Bacharبشر "  like us; you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to serve. So come to us with a clear proof."

Adam did not evolved from other "human being species " with better design / capacities :

فاذا سويته ونفخت فيه من روحي فقعوا له ساجدين
15:29    "So when I "made سويته " him, and blow from My Spirit in him, you shall yield to him."

Adam did not evolved from other "human being species " because the verse 38:75 mention clearly that :

قال يا ابليس ما منعك ان تسجد لما خلقت بيدي استكبرت ام كنت من العالين

38:75    He said: "O Satan, what prevented you from yielding to what I have created by My hands? Are you too arrogant? Or are you one of those exalted?"

The verse you mention do not include all  the "poeple /َ nations /Annas الناس" that existed at that time , the verse only talk about children of Adam 

My point is  using the word "Human" or the human being when you analyse that topic is not precise.


my other point is that  the "poeple /َ nations /Annas الناس" that exist today are not all of them from "Adamhادم"   surely they get in connection with the other nations /nas الناس that was before them in the earth.
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