Is Prophet Muhammed our Role Model?

[Sir Comcision]

Peace SirComcision.

Quote:" yes and no"

I agree and disagree.

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Me too.

I am wondering why you chose your screen name circumcision? Oh sorry, I mean SirComcision?

mmKhan

 
Though I'll PM you and explain it.

[DaresBears]

Hello.

He was a great man, and certainly a guide for the people during the Qur'ans revelation, but I do not believe he is to be our role model. If he were, we would have an actual legitimate book of Hadith from God, or it would be contained in the Qur'an. Such as a recording of Muhammads way of life written at the time and preserved by God, but God gave us no such thing. The current hadith books are clearly not from God, but that is a whole other topic.  Also, the Qur'an doesn't say he is our role model, it just says he was excellent, great, etc.

So no, I do not think Muhammad is our role model. We are to take lessons from the lives of prophets including Muhammad though, but that is contained within the Qur'an.

[Faithful-Jinn]

I would call what many Sunnis do idolatry not modeling. They treat the Prophet as a divine, perfect, and infallible being. They may not think he's God but they certainly put him on a level above other human beings that I would classify as supernatural and almost some sort of demi-god or superhuman.

[scaredmuslimah]

I would call what many Sunnis do idolatry not modeling. They treat the Prophet as a divine, perfect, and infallible being. They may not think he's God but they certainly put him on a level above other human beings that I would classify as supernatural and almost some sort of demi-god or superhuman.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[Maha]

I would call what many Sunnis do idolatry not modeling. They treat the Prophet as a divine, perfect, and infallible being. They may not think he's God but they certainly put him on a level above other human beings that I would classify as supernatural and almost some sort of demi-god or superhuman.

Sunnis put many other people above ''common human beings as well'' and common human beings here means all women, and all men who arent prophets, scholars, dayees (preachers) or kings, sultans or khalifas.

The official hierarchy is somehow like this:

Allah
Muhammed
Khulefa rasheedeen
Kholefa 3deyn / other khalifahs/sultans/kings
Muslim Scholars
Preachers (who give dawa)

To me, this is all shirk whether they admit it or not.

Peace

[Recluse]

I would call what many Sunnis do idolatry not modeling. They treat the Prophet as a divine, perfect, and infallible being. They may not think he's God but they certainly put him on a level above other human beings that I would classify as supernatural and almost some sort of demi-god or superhuman.

This Turkish "scholar" and member of a "Tariqah" says that "Muhammad is (equal to) Allah!" at the end of the video.

And at the very end he says; the only difference is Muhammed has flesh and bones. If this isn't pure idolatry then I don't know what is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4iqTcGMwm8

[huruf]

At the beginning of the thread, it is spoken about

"an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often."

Later on in the thread this is transformed in"role-model". How? What role? The role of the messenger?

Sometimes there is no problem in the text, enven translated. We make our own problems.

An excellent example may be of a parant who works hard and is always kind with family and people. This is not a role model, that is an example of good behaviour.

So the "excellent pattern" is just that, or nothing less than that. "Sunnism" seems to be int he mind even of those who question it.

God would not sent "authorized" messengers who would be bad examples or not excellent patterns.

On the other hand I cringe at the mention of "roles", it is concept that is very much sold by superMuslims, like gender roles, but that the Qur'an does not put forward nor condones nor acknowledges them as divinely asigned nor disposed.

Qur'an deals with intentions and behaviour not with roles nor role-models.

In that sense, of course, it is to be hoped that any and every rasul of God should be a good example thorugh his or her behaviour and so it is. And in the Qur'an there are many examples or good and bad behaviour. Nothing to do with ritual imitation or copying of styles or anything of the kind.

Salaam

[Recluse]

Well, my English is not exactly superb. I meant to say, shouldn't we adopt his conduct, good manners and so on.

[huruf]

Good conduct, good manners are always a good example worth following. It is to be supposed that prophets have good manners and good conduct. Their example is to be followed not because of any magical value attached to the word prophet but because they are good, exemplary good. So God wants toi point out what good behaviour is, so he shows us what the prophets or other good people in the Qur'an did.

It would be contradictory that people sent by God to preach and show the way should have bad vbehaviour. That does not make sense.

On the other hand to copy mindlessly the way it is said that they did things is idiotic. What is worth remembering and minding is int he Qur'an, the rest may have value from the historical point of view, or even from an spiritual point of view, but whatever we do on that is our own personal choice and criteria and God does not command anything on that.

There are many hadith which make a lot of sense from the point of view of common sense, spiritual and so on, but those for our profit for whatever value we find in them, just like other litterature, for instance Rumi or AbenArabi, or Rabi3a. Those can be very inspiring, but they are no burden upon us to act on them. Same with "good" hadith. They are worth whatever they are worth.

We do not have to use the same kind of shoes as any prophet nor anything like that. That would be superstition, ritualism and ancestors religion. Nothing to do with truth.

Salaam

[Liha]

Good conduct, good manners are always a good example worth following. It is to be supposed that prophets have good manners and good conduct. Their example is to be followed not because of any magical value attached to the word prophet but because they are good, exemplary good. So God wants toi point out what good behaviour is, so he shows us what the prophets or other good people in the Qur'an did.

It would be contradictory that people sent by God to preach and show the way should have bad vbehaviour. That does not make sense.

On the other hand to copy mindlessly the way it is said that they did things is idiotic. What is worth remembering and minding is int he Qur'an, the rest may have value from the historical point of view, or even from an spiritual point of view, but whatever we do on that is our own personal choice and criteria and God does not command anything on that.

There are many hadith which make a lot of sense from the point of view of common sense, spiritual and so on, but those for our profit for whatever value we find in them, just like other litterature, for instance Rumi or AbenArabi, or Rabi3a. Those can be very inspiring, but they are no burden upon us to act on them. Same with "good" hadith. They are worth whatever they are worth.

We do not have to use the same kind of shoes as any prophet nor anything like that. That would be superstition, ritualism and ancestors religion. Nothing to do with truth.

Salaam

Salaam,

Excellent points. It reminds me of people who use the miswak because the Prophet used it and see it as a way of getting sawab. A concept I find very odd--surely we should note the Prophet(s) good conduct and manners and not slavishly copy them on things like beards, miswaks and the length of robes etc as their personal appearance has no bearing on morality or good conduct.

So copying them to this degree just seems absurd & idiotic.

Peace.