The Truth About Cancer

[farida]

Salaam

In the original post about good old bicarbonate soda you have the living example of Bernard Johnson, who had nothing to lose as he was given only a few months to live; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8Y8I_Tsj
The link you posted claims:  There are a quite a number of studies to be found that show this same adverse effect of sodium bicarbonate. It seems that sodium bicarbonate stimulates already present tumor growth. This could mean that, if you already have cancer, sodium bicarbonate will make it grow even faster
Baking soda has been a home remedy for many many years and I have never heard of any side effects; yet to say nothing about Chemo which has taken so many lives is suspicious.
Everyone knows of someone who had cancer and, often driven by panic, rushed to have Chemo therapy; yes I have known a few who suffered a miserable death due to this treatment.
 

[Magnus]

The undeniable successes of modern medicine is to a large extent a result of applying certain methods to figure out what is actually medicine and what is wishful thinking. Before I believe that baking soda cures cancer I'd like one or more peer-reviewed clinical trials showing this is actually the case.
A few things worth keeping in mind in the meantime:
-There are lots of cancer tumors without fungi inside them.
-There are lots of people with fungal infections but no cancer tumors.

regardless of what one thinks the 'big fish' are up to, it doesn't mean the alternatives are correct.

indeed.

[savage_carrot]

Salaam

In the original post about good old bicarbonate soda you have the living example of Bernard Johnson, who had nothing to lose as he was given only a few months to live; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8Y8I_Tsj
The link you posted claims:  There are a quite a number of studies to be found that show this same adverse effect of sodium bicarbonate. It seems that sodium bicarbonate stimulates already present tumor growth. This could mean that, if you already have cancer, sodium bicarbonate will make it grow even faster
Baking soda has been a home remedy for many many years and I have never heard of any side effects; yet to say nothing about Chemo which has taken so many lives is suspicious.
Everyone knows of someone who had cancer and, often driven by panic, rushed to have Chemo therapy; yes I have known a few who suffered a miserable death due to this treatment.
 

There are plenty of anecdotal offerings on the internet for all sides. That is not what we should be basing our decisions on. Secondly, it's got nothing to do with baking soda being a 'home remedy' used for cleaning stuff and scaring ants. No one is ingesting it copiously and consistently, not that I know of and in case they are...apparently if they have urinary bladder carcinogenesis and are mice (or perhaps even men), it will accelerate the cancer. And that's just one of the studies done by identifiable people.

Before I believe that baking soda cures cancer I'd like one or more peer-reviewed clinical trials showing this is actually the case.

Exactly.

[farida]

The undeniable successes of modern medicine is to a large extent a result of applying certain methods to figure out what is actually medicine and what is wishful thinking. Before I believe that baking soda cures cancer I'd like one or more peer-reviewed clinical trials showing this is actually the case.

Anyone setting up clinical trials or moving new drug candidates along is well aware of the role of the FDA in the process. But unless you are part of the system, it is often difficult for someone to fully appreciate the complexities of the FDA’s role from beginning to end—much less the effort and time involved in producing the mass of paperwork and data required to fulfill the (sometimes onerous-seeming) demands of the FDA
In the end its all about 'Big Pharma'
The Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) regulations for the conduct of clinical trials, which have been in effect since the 1970s and around that time Asprin was seen as a peril now we hear it's a wonder drug:
Aspirin has been credited as the drug that kick-started the pharmaceutical industry and researchers have found the more they investigate it the more benefits they find.   
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8184543/Aspirin-the-wonder-drug.html

Tumric played a great part in ayurvedic medicine for many years, few years ago attempts were made by'Big Pharma' to patent it and  now it been noticed by the researchers: A UK trial is investigating whether a curry ingredient can improve the treatment of patients with advanced bowel cancer.
Scientists will supplement standard chemotherapy with pills containing curcumin, a compound found in the yellow curry spice turmeric.
Laboratory tests have suggested that curcumin can boost the ability of chemotherapy drugs to kill bowel cancer cells.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2140840/Currys-ability-fight-cancer-test.html#ixzz1vLUiw4bw
Peace

[youssef4342]

No, foods are excluded from the FDA's definition of drug.

http://www.fda.gov/Cosmetics/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/ucm074201.htm

Some grocery items (oatmeal comes to mind) are marketed with claims of health benefits.  Any such claims must be well supported by studies.

If you market a food item as a CURE or a PREVENTION for a disease, you might be tried by the FDA
A similar case as an example would be the NO HUNGER BREAD story, most of it was made to be thrown away!

Please read the book "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about by Kevin trudeau.

[Magnus]

farida: regardless of the doings of "big pharma" and the FDA, the way to increase our collective knowledge of actual medicine is surely through disciplined scientific inquiry. This includes doing randomized controlled trials and publishing findings for peer review. Bad medicine can't survive this kind of scrutiny, which is why quacks make wild claims based on anecdotes and write books aimed at layman audiences instead.

That being said, today's system of allocating the vast majority of the planet's resources for medical research is dumb . In a better world we would direct drug research based on potential medical benefits rather than potential profits. If that means taking a good look at the effects of curry and baking soda on cancer, I'm all for it.

[morninglight]

If you market a food item as a CURE or a PREVENTION for a disease, you might be tried by the FDA
A similar case as an example would be the NO HUNGER BREAD story, most of it was made to be thrown away!

Please read the book "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about by Kevin trudeau.

Again, qualified health claims relating to a food's nutrients or composition are permitted.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuide/UCM265446.pdf

I looked through that book and that story.  What a waste of time!  Neither impressed me as sharing or being on to any "cures."  A good deal of the book was just a bibliography of more quackery. 

Have you not noticed that even small milling operations sell bread mixes legally?

Did you notice that the bread mix producer never said what was the reason for the FDA action, the substance of its complaint? 

The "horror story" goes on and on with these serial scammers, see.

http://www.alcoda.org/news/archives/2011/sep/injunction_suarez_corporation_industries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau

God made a complete creation, including afflictions to test us and take us out.  We know that humans who lived and died before availability of all those things Trudeau says account for causation of illness -- availability of modern food additives, recently developed produce varieties, modern high-density agricultural practices, laptop computers, etc. -- had the same afflictions.  If I understand correctly, Trudeau would have one more convenient explanation for all those illnesses in prior human history -- that the people either did not sleep on magnets or did not sleep on enough magnets to ensure their perfect health.

[savage_carrot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau

Thank you! I finally have a name to put to those infernal coral calcium infomercials...Miracle Blade III on the other hand was the best buy I ever made via infomercials or otherwise. Awesome knives.

[youssef4342]

Please read the book Natural cures they don't want you to know about, and see the corruption of the FDA, and other government organizations...

and Morninglight,
if yuo rea dthe book upove ^, you will realize that it cites something like before, the earth's magnetism was 10x more than it is now.

and why does the FDA pass drugs and knowing that they have other side effects that could actually cause death (e.g vioxx)?  Is it not because you can make so much money off of drugs? 
How many drug recalls do you know of?
and did you know that some of the FDA employees are on the patrol of pharmaceutical companies? Conflict of interest much?

God did not create us to take artificial drugs and vaccines and additives, hyrdrogenated fats, mercury  tooth fillings, artificial sweetners/colors, fertilizers, pesticides etc...
 
However, there was Organic food right from the start. Organic fruit, Organic meat, Organic Milk. All things would have been Organic from the beginning of Creation.

This is not Quackery.

[morninglight]

Thank you! I finally have a name to put to those infernal coral calcium infomercials...Miracle Blade III on the other hand was the best buy I ever made via infomercials or otherwise. Awesome knives.

You are welcome.  Thank you for your participation with reasoning in this thread, savage_carrot and Magnus.  I am not able to participate so much.

Those of you believers that there are simple natural preventions and cures for every ailment -- congratulations on your (so far) excellent health and your (so far) not knowing what it is like to live with chronic serious illness or infirmity.  It is very offensive to be blamed for one's circumstances one has not chosen nor caused and beyond one's control (beyond one's control except to treat and/or manage -- or not -- with the blessings of conventional Medicine and its learning).  Where did God tell you that that the Quran's guidance as to diet was insufficient?  Or that you (or any other person/s) could know and solve everything about health matters?  Or that there was not supposed to be suffering in earthly life experience?  Or that creatures' earthly lives are supposed to go on forever?

Peace to all.