A Few Questions for S.O.L. Adherents

[Magnus]

Ah yes, the comfort being part of a majority brings. Though, you do bring some interesting and debatable points, which I'd like to discuss if possible.

I care little for belonging to the majority or any comfort that brings, but I care deeply about being/doing right in religious matters.
Pray tell what points you would like to debate!

[Kaiokenred]

I care little for belonging to the majority or any comfort that brings, but I care deeply about being/doing right in religious matters.
Pray tell what points you would like to debate!

There's no such thing as right in religious matters.

If you want to be right, stop being religious.
In front of Allah all religions are worthless

[Magnus]

There's no such thing as right in religious matters.

If you want to be right, stop being religious.
In front of Allah all religions are worthless

I disagree. I believe Allah values me and others actively turning towards Him, surrendering to Him and obeying Him.
All sufficiently false religions are worthless (or worse!), but I still think that the deen described in the Quran could well be translated as "the religion" or perhaps "Religion" with the capital R to distinguish it from all other religions, which are necessarily false as per 3:85 as well as common sense - if there is only one Truth there must be only one correct Religion - i.e. the correct way to relate to and act upon this Truth as a human being.

[morninglight]

Where do you see that Abdun Nur implies you need to pay taxes ( and you even said compulsory lol ) in his ideal community?

I got that from more than one place on the SOL website.  It alternately describes the compulsory contributions to fund governmental functions as voluntary and largely voluntary.  It sets out a rationale that (what SOL indicates is the freely entered choice of) participating or even living in human society, in a place with others -- in short, being at any geographic place that has a cluster of human settlement -- is a voluntary deal to have that society's and local government's benefits and the obligation to pay for them; and further, that anyone not agreeing to that deal must depart from the community and their (always but only sometimes) indefeasibly owned place in the community, presumably to be cast out to live as a hermit in some unclaimed wilderness where no other humans would live and where no sovereign would claim dominion.  It does not square at all with SOL's also arguing the opposite(s) against any social contract notions. 

Did you see the one where SOL rants of persons being forced -- yes, forced -- to pay automobile insurance premiums?

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[Kaiokenred]

I got that from more than one place on the SOL website.  It alternately describes the compulsory contributions to fund governmental functions as voluntary and largely voluntary.  It sets out a rationale that (what SOL indicates is the freely entered choice of) participating or even living in human society, in a place with others -- in short, being at any geographic place that has a cluster of human settlement -- is a voluntary deal to have that society's and local government's benefits and the obligation to pay for them; and further, that anyone not agreeing to that deal must depart from the community and their (always but only sometimes) indefeasibly owned place in the community, presumably to be cast out to live as a hermit in some unclaimed wilderness where no other humans would live and where no sovereign would claim dominion.  It does not square at all with SOL's also arguing the opposite(s) against any social contract notions. 

Did you see the one where SOL rants of persons being forced -- yes, forced -- to pay automobile insurance premiums?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Can't tell if trolling or retarded

[Kaiokenred]

I disagree. I believe Allah values me and others actively turning towards Him, surrendering to Him and obeying Him.
All sufficiently false religions are worthless (or worse!), but I still think that the deen described in the Quran could well be translated as "the religion" or perhaps "Religion" with the capital R to distinguish it from all other religions, which are necessarily false as per 3:85 as well as common sense - if there is only one Truth there must be only one correct Religion - i.e. the correct way to relate to and act upon this Truth as a human being.

All religions are false.
Islam is a deen not a religion. No where in the Quran is it said for Islam to be a religion. Nor does Islam has any religion practices. Religion is totally worthless. Islam is a perfect deen for the mankind.

There is only one truth, but it doesn't mean it's a religion.

[Magnus]

All religions are false.
Islam is a deen not a religion. No where in the Quran is it said for Islam to be a religion. Nor does Islam has any religion practices. Religion is totally worthless. Islam is a perfect deen for the mankind.

There is only one truth, but it doesn't mean it's a religion.

Fine, call it what you will. Are we in agreement that the Quran contains instructions for how we are to think and behave, and that these instructions should be followed?

[Kaiokenred]

Fine, call it what you will. Are we in agreement that the Quran contains instructions for how we are to think and behave, and that these instructions should be followed?

Yes of course.

Quran is a guide for everything needed to be righteous and for a good world. Political, Economical, Social etc...

[GODsubmitter]

I am grateful for this thread.

I have tried and failed to read stuff SOL has written more than once, as I seem to lack the patience or mental fortitude necessary to parse out what he is actually trying to convey. Having read this thread thus far I feel more secure in my initial decision to dismiss his writings as rambling nonsense.

Me too!
AGREE 

[Mr.Q]

What does Paul and Luke and the Gospel has to do with paganism? And if I asked you what is paganism would you know?

What surprises the most about some people in this forum that as Koranist you would think that they would be the last people on Earth to throw that accusation at anyone given in the Koran paganism and polytheism is the unforgiveable sin. And to see that thrown on characters like Paul and Luke is truly amazing.

Did you not see Lordfox recommended studying Wicca?? Go ahead an google it. They call themselves pagans and witches and what not. Here is a wiki post on it;

Wicca (pronounced /ˈwɪkə/), is a modern pagan religion. Developed in England in the first half of the 20th century,[1] Wicca was popularised in the 1950s and early 1960s by a retired British civil servant named Gerald Gardner, who at the time called it the "witch cult" and "witchcraft", and its adherents "the Wica".[2] From the 1960s onward, the name of the religion was normalised to "Wicca".[3]
There are many different theological positions within Wicca, such as monotheism, goddess worship (such as in Dianic Wicca), polytheism, and followers are encouraged to choose what they wish to seek, it being a form of mystery religion.

The religion also involves the ritual practice of magic, largely influenced by the ceremonial magic of previous centuries, often in conjunction with a broad code of morality known as the Wiccan Rede, although this is not adhered to by all Wiccans. Another characteristic of this religion is the celebration of seasonally-based festivals, known as Sabbats, of which there are usually eight in number annually.

Paul, on the other hand, believed Jesus was the literal Son of God with all the fullness of Deity residing in him. He preached that salvation is only attained by believing Jesus died for your sins and was your intercessor with God and that without Jesus as your Lord (in the deified sense) you couldn't get eternal life. His views and teachings led to the Trinity Doctrine. Luke shared his views and was Pauls disciple.

How is this NOT polytheism? Do I actually have to list the verses of Quran that condemn all this? I think you know them all Bigmo and appreciate the rest of what you said and welcome the Quranic study of shirk and polytheism.

Then on the other hand, one could make the argument that Pauls religion was Pagan. (pagan, noun 1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion)

If you want to discuss polytheism and paganism I suggest a new thread?