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Maha

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2012, 02:58:46 AM »
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However, the majority of the people who speak Arabic reads this as a man allowed more than one wife.

the majority of the people who speak Arabic reads the quran as sunnah is to be followed as well. The majority of the people who speak arabic also reads the quran as it allows terrorism and violence against non-muslims. You see, truth is not derived from what ''the majority'' think, but actually from what the minority think according to the quran itself in Quran 6,116 : ''And if you pay heed to the majority of those on the earth, they will lead you astray from God's way. They follow only conjecture''.

By the way, I speak arabic as well but I agree with sister Huruf and not with the 'majority arabs'.

The rest of your post is based on sunni belief. As I am a quranist, I cannot really answer sunni questions. .

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2012, 04:28:22 AM »
The verse reads the majority of those on earth. Not the majority of muslims. 

But, anyway. My mind is not changed. One wife and sex. Or many and no sex. Sounds fair and might even be the truth. I don't know.

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2012, 08:07:21 AM »
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The verse reads the majority of those on earth. Not the majority of muslims. 


'muslims' are included in the majority on earth.

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But, anyway. My mind is not changed. One wife and sex. Or many and no sex. Sounds fair and might even be the truth. I don't know.

Cool.

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 02:35:44 PM »
Also I would like to add if that is true one wife with sex or many without sex??  Then Islam did indeed elevate the status of women as most people claim.


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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2012, 12:54:15 AM »
The verse reads the majority of those on earth. Not the majority of muslims. 

But, anyway. My mind is not changed. One wife and sex. Or many and no sex. Sounds fair and might even be the truth. I don't know.

Why many wives and no sex but not many husbands and no sex? That might seem more fair.
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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2012, 04:57:18 AM »
Why many wives and no sex but not many husbands and no sex? That might seem more fair.

So I am gathering Mr. Bigmo is you are saying that if a man has more than one wife he should be able to have sex with them all?


Or are you saying the fairness would be taking money from more than one man so as not to put one man only  in  financial difficulties?

Just trying to understand why it would be more fair to have many husbands??

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2012, 09:13:51 AM »
Also I would like to add if that is true one wife with sex or many without sex??  Then Islam did indeed elevate the status of women as most people claim.

marry a woman but refraining sex doesn't seem fair to that woman.   withholding physical/sexual intimacy in a marriage - you don't find anything wrong with that in of itself? 

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2012, 02:34:05 AM »
marry a woman but refraining sex doesn't seem fair to that woman.   withholding physical/sexual intimacy in a marriage - you don't find anything wrong with that in of itself?


I do not.

 Refraining from taking care of the women financially and protecting her it would seem is much worse than leaving her sexually. 

The Quran is clear to gain control of the desires are the successful. Sex is a desire.   You cannot be fair to two women. So do not try to do that.

We are all aware to be fair financially and protecting is doable.   But, desire is not.   So do not even try.

The Arab muslims think themselves more pious then the american muslims.  To them they are able to do this and be fair. They can even kill themselves and make it will Allah. But, they see that is not possible with us americans or any non middle eastern raised person I should say.

I do not agree with them about this. But, what is the use to argue the point? 


They know. They do. They know that I am speaking the truth. They do.

You can't see they know this because they think themselves able to do this fairly where we cannot.   No one can do this fairly. The Quran is the proof. The Quran says u cannot.

Hope I don't make any enemies here with my opinions. That is not my intention. I am just searching the truth.

Allah and his prophet are fair with women.




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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 04:37:22 AM »
marrying a woman and depriving her of physical intimacy/connection is a form of abuse. 

if you truly care about the welfare of the women, you can provide for her and protect her and try to hook her up with a man who will be able to provide for her in all aspects.   marrying her and refraining from sexual intimacy sure doesn't sound very 'islamic' to me. 

you can have an opinion about anything but what is it based on? and derived from?

it is hard to grasp that prophet muhammed married so many wives but we can't take our feelings, opinions, views and apply it to the life and circumstance of the prophet.   the culture, ways of life, needs and situation of the prophet and his wives were different.   

 

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Re: Wives of the prophets.
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 06:00:06 AM »
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marrying a woman and depriving her of physical intimacy/connection is a form of abuse. 


Everyone would be deprived.   Not just her. Him and all the women - of the sexual part.   But, all other aspects are well taking care of.    It is the opposite right now the way things are. The sexual aspect is highly cared for but the protection and caring for her other needs in life is not.

I think it is abusive to try and be intimate and showing love for more than one wife. A man does not have two hearts.   He is lying if he is trying to do that.   It is just animal lust where the devil is playing with the private parts to get someone excited.

However, if one shows Islamic love and cares for her needs whatever they might be --say children that need Islamic environment or to get away from an nonIslamic environment herself.  Or just simply to be giving freedom to live an Islamic life with the protection that comes with it.  And the  Arab women. I am not an Arab but I would gather many of those ladies are left to live in shelters when they could have freedom and a happy Islamic life.

That to me would be so much better than a sexual relationship with any one.

No! The prophet did not have sexual relations with his wives. He did not. He would have been fair.   Allah is fair to us.