Wives of the prophets.

[Maha]

I stopped right there reading your reply.  I prefer to be talked to nicely.

Perhaps if you begin to show some self respect, people would talk more nicely to you. Your sick fantasies about how your husband is  having sex with other women is not only insulting to the quran, but also insulting to men. I would suggest you to ponder on this.

Salam

[morningdew]

So why was my reply deleted?

Perhaps if you begin to show some self respect, people would talk more nicely to you

So then you admit to not treating me nicely?

So we can face reality or pretend it does not exist.   If your husband has another wife he is for sure doing that to her.  The Islamic teachings would indicate the truth and reality is the best life.

When we think of the last prophet with many wives having sex with them all this is exactly what would have happened.   And when someone has brought this out in the past they have been giving the death threat.  This makes me realize that for sure he did not sleep with these women and the Arabic speaking world know this.

One more thing I was going to add.   Allah says in Quran we have no say in his ruling. Not one say. Therefore if he has said men can have more than one wife And sleep with them all then for her to have a say of divorce if this happens is not truth. Sure you have a say. But, hell fire would be your ending. So really this is not a good thing to teach people.   He did give the wives of the prophet a choice between this life and the next.  Not a good choice. Best to bite the wall and stay with the situation.

I don't know. lets just say I am completely deranged and Allah allows women the choice of this life or the next and her choice is to accept her man fondling another women then coming and fondling her as well or the hell fire.

If you delete this post please tell me why.

And because we are now proven not the best of friends maybe we should leave it at that.

[Maha]

So then you admit to not treating me nicely

Sister you have to treat yourself nicely first, and your thoughts are not nicely towards yourself. But I apologize if I offended you.

So we can face reality or pretend it does not exist.   If your husband has another wife he is for sure doing that to her.  The Islamic teachings would indicate the truth and reality is the best life.

The question of my husband having another wife would never arise since I would immediately divorce him if he even thought about another woman than me. And If I couldnt divorce him for some unfurtunate reason, I would take another husband beside him as well. But frankly I dont see how you connected 'islamic teachings' with that, I mean, what has islamic teachings to do with somebody cheating on his wife? Do you mean sunni teachings?

When we think of the last prophet with many wives having sex with them all this is exactly what would have happened.   And when someone has brought this out in the past they have been giving the death threat.  This makes me realize that for sure he did not sleep with these women and the Arabic speaking world know this.

but who says that the prophet of quran had many wives? And I do not think that the prophet of quran was the last prophet.

Allah says in Quran we have no say in his ruling. Not one say. Therefore if he has said men can have more than one wife And sleep with them all then for her to have a say of divorce if this happens is not truth

But where does the quran says that a man can have more than one wife? Going by that logic, Quran also says that a wife can have more than one husband.

Nobody has any say in Gods ruling, because God rules the world all the time and always. Everything happens according to his/her it/that will. But you cannot come up with your own ideas and claim that is from 'Gods ruling'.

Sure you have a say. But, hell fire would be your ending. So really this is not a good thing to teach people.   He did give the wives of the prophet a choice between this life and the next.  Not a good choice. Best to bite the wall and stay with the situation.

I dont see what hellfire has something to do with anything. You mix things together sister, take care of that. God give EVERY person the choice between this life and the next. And if a man has many wives because he thinks with his penis, than hasnt he chosen the hellfire ?

don't know. lets just say I am completely deranged and Allah allows women the choice of this life or the next and her choice is to accept her man fondling another women then coming and fondling her as well or the hell fire.

Sister you have misunderstood something. God gives every man and woman the choice between hellfire and this life. But many believers got both this life and the next.

Peace

[morningdew]

4:3 And if you fear that you cannot be just to the orphans, then you may marry those who are agreeable to you of the women: two, and three, and four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then only one, or whom you maintain by your oaths. This is best that you do not face financial hardship.


I do not think I misunderstood. Maybe we are misunderstanding each other.

[Maha]

4:3 And if you fear that you cannot be just to the orphans, then you may marry those who are agreeable to you of the women: two, and three, and four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then only one, or whom you maintain by your oaths. This is best that you do not face financial hardship.


I do not think I misunderstood. Maybe we are misunderstanding each other.

The translation is wrong . It says marry the nisa off, e.g the weak. In every case it does not say that women cannot have several husbands . Peace

[morningdew]

The translation is wrong . It says marry the nisa off, e.g the weak. In every case it does not say that women cannot have several husbands . Peace

Because I do not speak Arabic I would have no clue about the translation.  I do however, see that this verse leads more to believe that one can marry more than one.

Do you speak Arabic? If not, how do you come to the conclusion this verse is translated wrong?

If you do, then how is this mistranslated for all this time in all the translations.

I am just saying there is another point of view to be thought about. Maybe the prophet had no sexual relations with all these women after his first wife.    Maybe he just supported them and took care for them. There is room for thought.  Because that is what Allah does anyway is leave it to us to think about the many different situations. He gives us the stories of the prophets and the past as examples to think about.  However, we know the truth in our subconscious.   I believe the Arabic speaking world knows this. I really do.

You have no problem if this is the case because your husband has chosen a sexual life with you. If he changed his mind he would have to give up sex with you both to be fair as he could possibly be.

Yes, I am convinced the Quran  does allow more than one wife. But, I believe that Allah is fair to us. That is one of our trials and tests to see the fairness and equality of Allah.  That would be what he would be closely watching in a man and a women if they are in this situation.   I mean anyone could pretend they were not having sex yet they might be.  But, Allah knows!

And anyone could ripe the heart of a women or women apart without even a bit of feeling.  Allah Knows.

Men cannot have it all as they so think they can.   It is one wife with sex or many without sex. Simple and plain.

Allah is fair!

That is my take.  To each our own.
 

[huruf]

It is addressing the people and is telling them to marry one at a time, two , three, four, but it doesn't say that the same man marry all of them. It is a collective injunction and those among the people susceptible to follow it should follow.it says absolutely nothing about poligamy, one way or the other, it does not allow it and it does not forbid it. It is about something else.

Also it is true that in the Qur'an having several wives is not forbidden nor does it forbid to have more than one husband, although the monogamous marriage is the ordinary or "the marriage".

Salaam

[brook]

4:3 And if you fear that you cannot be just to the orphans, then you may marry those who are agreeable to you of the women: two, and three, and four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then only one, or whom you maintain by your oaths. This is best that you do not face financial hardship.

In  this translation of 4:3 what is meant by being just is important.

People who claim God allows polygamy take it to mean being impartial. So, they say, in 4:3 God is ordering polygamous men to treat their wives impartially, witout favouring any one of them.

Being just also means not usurping people's rights. In this case God is ordering believing men who have orphans under their protection to avoid usurping their possessions (اموال). The verse, they say, has got nothing to do with polygamy; it is about the possessions and  rights of the orphans mentioned in the first 10 verses of Cahpter 4.

The question is which meaning is correct.

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

[brook]

If your being just
in 4:3
means your giving the orphans their possessions,

your marrying them two, three, and four means
your marrying them to other men
like the priest did in the following nursery rhyme:

This is the priest all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn...

This is the way that you escape the fear
that you commit by devouring the possessions by mistake
since no more you keep them to devour. 

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

[morningdew]

The meaning is quite unclear to me. However, the majority of the people who speak Arabic reads this as a man allowed more than one wife.  I am not going to try and find the meaning. I am just going to try and gain some understanding.

There are times stated in Quran when a person is not allowed sexual relations with his wife.  These times are at Ramadan and Hajj.  These are holy times when we are doing something solely for Allah.

Whenever a man decides to take another wife he states he is living the sunna of the prophet and doing this solely for Allah.  Imagine that. When we are doing something solely for Allah we have no sexual relations with the person we are otherwise allowed too.


I know there is the opinion that having more than one wife is not allowed on this forum.  I am just bringing forth another point of view that could possible be truth. And could possibly open the eyes of many muslims who now take more than one wife having fun with both/all of them. 


So just in case Allah has allowed this, for sure having one is best.   But, situations happen when women are left abandoned. A man does not want her. Her husband dies. She needs to be cared for. You know the many situations. Maybe a women does not even want to have sexual relations with another after any of these situations has happened to her.   Allah has ordered women be supported.    He has to make a way for them.

This could be a way. And could be the truth.

Therefore, one wife with sex or many without sex. 

Just think about this being the possibility.

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