The "Book" and the "People of the Book" ?

[noshirk]

The question is simple:
What is "the book" (Al Kitab) ? What is the difference between the "Book" and the Quran ?
Why Muslims feel not concerned by the expression "people of the book" ?

salam

[noshirk]

additional Question.

Is there a verse that is speaking about religions called judaim or christiannity ?

[ExplorerSeeker86]

I'm a Jewish Christian so I guess I fall in this bracket. I'm a Monotheist myself who doesn't believe Jesus was God. No Jew would have accepted him if he had claimed such. It's against God's unique nature as Jews understand.

I think the Koran says though that we and you should come to an understanding that we worship God, and associate nothing with him. I acknowledge you, that you worship what I worship.

Let's be good to each other

[Bender]

The question is simple:
What is "the book" (Al Kitab) ? What is the difference between the "Book" and the Quran ?
Why Muslims feel not concerned by the expression "people of the book" ?

salam

Salaam brother,

Please take a look at these verses:
7:204 وَإِذَا قُرِئَ الْقُرْآنُ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ وَأَنصِتُوا لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

41:26 وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَا تَسْمَعُوا لِهَـٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ وَالْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِبُونَ

46:29 وَإِذْ صَرَفْنَا إِلَيْكَ نَفَرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقُرْآنَ فَلَمَّا حَضَرُوهُ قَالُوا أَنصِتُوا ۖ فَلَمَّا قُضِيَ وَلَّوْا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِم مُّنذِرِينَ

Al Quran can be translated in my opnion as The Recital, as it is something that we have to listen to, so it must be recited.


AlKitaab is the thing that is written.
Thus to my understanding the thing that we actually call AlQuran is in fact AlKitaab.

That why the difference: Hatha AlQuran   and    Thalika AlKitaab.
AlQuran is in us when while AlKitaab is outside us (sorry for my bad english, I don't know how to say this correct).

Also note that AlQuran knowledge can only be teached by Allah (55:1-2), while AlKitaab knowledge can be teached by AlRasul (many verses).


AlKitaab can be seen as the written copy of AlQuran.
Please take a look at these verses:
56:77  إِنَّهُ لَقُرْآنٌ كَرِيمٌ
56:78  فِي كِتَابٍ مَّكْنُونٍ
56:79  لَّا يَمَسُّهُ إِلَّا الْمُطَهَّرُونَ

This makes clear why ONLY "AlMutaharoen" can "touch" AlQuran. It's not talking about AlKitaab, everyone can touch it as it is something physical, but touching AlQuran is something different.


The next verse explains also very well the connection between AlKitaab and AlQuran.
10:37 وَمَا كَانَ هَـٰذَا الْقُرْآنُ أَن يُفْتَرَىٰ مِن دُونِ اللَّـهِ وَلَـٰكِن تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ مِن رَّبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ

Salaam and may Allah increase us in knowledge of AlQuran 
Bender

btw please read chapter 98 to understand better who Ahl AlKitaab are.

[noshirk]

I'm a Jewish Christian

How many religions God Has ?
Why do you recognize moses, aaron, elie, zacharie... and even paul, luc mathieu and not muhammed ?
Jesus and moses are also from middle east. Why do they represent occident and not muhammad ?
Considering that God has many religions isn't absurd ?

If One god then one religion. Saying the contrary is following humans and not following God.

3:100 O you who believe, if you obey a group of those who received the Book they will turn you after your belief into rejecters!

so, my question is: Why aren't you a muslim ?
To be a muslim is to be submitted to GOD, not to muhammed or jesus or moses.
Are you muslim (submitted) to GOD ? Or Are you submitted to him only if there is Jesus with him  and not muhammad with him?

salam

salam

[ExplorerSeeker86]

No shirk you should be easy on me as I am not sure concerning Islam and Muhammad at this point. I said I respectfully come to an understanding with you, as the Koran calls us both to do.

[noshirk]

to bender

43:2 And the clarifying Book.
43:3 We have made it an Arabic Qur?an, perhaps you may comprehend.
43:4 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record with Us.

13:39 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book.


What is the master Book (OMMO EL KITAB ?)
Did islam began with quran ? is Quran necessary for islam ?

if Quran is the Kitab, why Quran says that people received the kitab before quran appeared ?

salam

[noshirk]

to bender

If God ask you, in the judgement day:
"Are you from people of the book?"
what do you will respond ?

I will respond: Yes i am.


to ExplorerSeeker86: sorry.

salam

[GODsubmitter]

How many religions God Has ?


If One god then one religion. Saying the contrary is following humans and not following God.

EXCELLENT QUESTIONS!

Anyway, in my modest opinion, as the Qur'an is the commentary on the Bible, as it builds on it, maybe "the Book" is referring to, is the book of life which is at God and He writes there everybody's deeds and destiny every Rosh HaShana (New Year) i.e. "The Book of Life"?   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life

dunno... 

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

I'm a Jewish Christian so I guess I fall in this bracket. I'm a Monotheist myself who doesn't believe Jesus was God. No Jew would have accepted him if he had claimed such. It's against God's unique nature as Jews understand.

I think the Koran says though that we and you should come to an understanding that we worship God, and associate nothing with him. I acknowledge you, that you worship what I worship.

Let's be good to each other

My take: you are a monotheist (doubleplusgood!) and a seeker (also good).  Anything besides this are labels.

Btw, there is such a thing as Messianic Judaism. <shrugs> To each their own! 

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

[shaban]

I acknowledge you, that you worship what I worship.

I do NOT worship what you worship.

I believe in Allah, not in a single God..Allah is not a god but just Allah. Believing in Him is only possible by believing in all of His prophets, books, angels etc, ie in all of His ayats.

I think the Koran says though that we and you should come to an understanding that we worship God, and associate nothing with him.

To understand what Quran really says, read the whole book not a single verse.

Jewish christians are nothing but "worst creatures" who reject believing in revelations of Allah and say, "We believe only in what was sent down to us." Thus, they disbelieve in subsequent revelation, even if it is the truth from Allah. (plz read 2:91)

Allah never call them believers in Quran, but "disbelievers of the people of the book". And the following is their verse:

Disbelievers of the people of the book, and the idol worshipers, have incurred the fire of hell forever. They are the worst creatures. (98:6)

Let's be good to each other

I wonder if Allah will be as good to you as we are in JD.

rgds

Hamza Mutlu

[MaverickMonotheist]

I believe in Allah, not in a single God..Allah is not a god but just Allah. Believing in Him is only possible by believing in all of His prophets, books, angels etc, ie in all of His ayats.

Peace Hamza Mutlu,

So do you in turn recognize what was given to Moses in the Torah, what was given to David in the Psalms, what was given to the prophets of Israel, and what was given to Jesus in the gospels? 

-Joel

[youssef4342]

Ahle alkitab would be directed at the people of the Bible
The word bible was derived from a greek words with a meaning along the lines of book/books

"[Origin: 1300–50; ME bible, bibel < OF bible < ML biblia (fem. sing.) < Gk, in tà biblía tà hagía (Septuagint) the holy books; biblíon, byblíon papyrus roll, strip of papyrus, equiv. to býbl(os) papyrus (after Býblos, a Phoenician port where papyrus was prepared and exported) + -ion n. suffix]"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bible

There is also the people of the Gospels (Ahle alinjil), this is more of a descriptive term (5:47)

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

I do NOT worship what you worship.

I believe in Allah, not in a single God..Allah is not a god but just Allah. Believing in Him is only possible by believing in all of His prophets, books, angels etc, ie in all of His ayats.

To understand what Quran really says, read the whole book not a single verse.

Jewish christians are nothing but "worst creatures" who reject believing in revelations of Allah and say, "We believe only in what was sent down to us." Thus, they disbelieve in subsequent revelation, even if it is the truth from Allah. (plz read 2:91)

Allah never call them believers in Quran, but "disbelievers of the people of the book". And the following is their verse:

Disbelievers of the people of the book, and the idol worshipers, have incurred the fire of hell forever. They are the worst creatures. (98:6)

I wonder if Allah will be as good to you as we are in JD.

rgds

Hamza Mutlu

Haters gonna hate!

98:6 specifies "disbelievers" of the people of the Book, NOT all people of the Book.  Being a "person of the Book" is no guarantee of happiness on JD--and neither is being a muslim/Muslim/or anything else.

5:69 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in GOD and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.

4:94 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of GOD, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace: "You are not a believer!" You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but GOD graced you, so investigate carefully. GOD is expert over what you do.

4:125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to GOD, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And GOD took Abraham as a friend.

Oh, and this:

7:199 Take to pardoning, and order what is good, and turn away from the ignorant ones.

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

[shaban]

Haters gonna hate!

and warners gonna warn! You would have been glad if I had encouraged that poor juwish christian to reject the ayats of Allah by telling him your misinterpretation of 5:69, wouldn't you?

Actually you are haters. you hate muslims, don't you ? if I had called them mushriks or Mohammedans you all would have applauded me, wouldn't you ?

98:6 specifies "disbelievers" of the people of the Book, NOT all people of the Book.

and who are the disbelievers of the people of the Book ? why are they disbeievers ? what do they reject ? read 2:91 again and think why Allah has choosen the word "disbelieve" for those who say "We believe only in what was sent down to us" and disbelieve in subsequent revelation.

5:69 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in GOD and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.

yes yes.. you always select this 5:69 as if there were only 5:69 in AQ and not 6346 verses, because 5:69 is the most proper verse to distort, isn't it.Actually you do not follow Quran-Alone but 5:69-Alone  of course its misinterpretation.

4:94 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of GOD, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace: "You are not a believer!" You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but GOD graced you, so investigate carefully. GOD is expert over what you do.

The guy says he's a juwish christian or whatever..I don't say anything. 

4:125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to GOD, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And GOD took Abraham as a friend.

and if Abraham had lived after Mohammad and rejected Quran, would Allah have taken your "Monoteist Abraham" as friend ? think on it  !! 

7:199 Take to pardoning, and order what is good, and turn away from the ignorant ones.

ok wise man, then tell this poor and ignorant Hamza who is the prophet told in chapter 98 if you are a real muslim and not a free-minded freak. I asked it to you many months ago, and still waiting for your answer.

H. Mutlu

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

My comments [within quote] in red.

and warners gonna warn! You would have been glad if I had encouraged that poor juwish christian to reject the ayats of Allah by telling him your misinterpretation of 5:69, wouldn't you?

Used FM translation.  Could have also used 2:62 to make the same point.  What is the "proper" interpretation, if you please? 

Actually you are haters. you hate muslims, don't you ? if I had called them mushriks or Mohammedans you all would have applauded me, wouldn't you ?

Why would I hate myself? I applaud kindness, good words and good works. Try some of these if you would seek applause.

and who are the disbelievers of the people of the Book ? why are they disbeievers ? what do they reject ? read 2:91 again and think why Allah has choosen the word "disbelieve" for those who say "We believe only in what was sent down to us" and disbelieve in subsequent revelation.

Has ExplorerSeeker86 denied any revelations/claimed them to be false--or is this speculation on your part?  Further, in the upholding of previous Guidance, all Guidance is upheld.  Much as in upholding the Guidance of AQ, muslims uphold all previous Guidance.

yes yes.. you always select this 5:69 as if there were only 5:69 in AQ and not 6346 verses, because 5:69 is the most proper verse to distort, isn't it.Actually you do not follow Quran-Alone but 5:69-Alone  of course its misinterpretation.

And the refutations to 5:69 (and 2:62, 2:112, 2:277, 10:62, 39:61, 41:30, 43:68, 46:13, etc.) are...?  Personally, I follow ALLAH.  The Quran is Guidance, but it isn't the only Guidance.  A person could follow ALLAH through any number of ways.

The guy says he's a juwish christian or whatever..I don't say anything. 

You implied that ExplorerSeeker86 is a "worst creature" and that he is a not a believer but among the "disbelievers of the people of the book [sic]."  For someone who doesn't say anything  , you seem to say a lot.

and if Abraham had lived after Mohammad and rejected Quran, would Allah have taken your "Monoteist Abraham" as friend ? think on it  !! 

Yes.  Of course, seeing how it is stated in AQ at 4:125 that ALLAH took Abraham as a friend, it wouldn't really matter.  AQ is a means to an end--one means of many.  To quote Bruce Lee: "...it is like a finger pointing a way to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory!"

ok wise man, then tell this poor and ignorant Hamza who is the prophet told in chapter 98 if you are a real muslim and not a free-minded freak. I asked it to you many months ago, and still waiting for your answer.

But you aren't one to call names, right?  I don't recall the question.  Had I chosen to answer, it would have likely been "The answer is not given in AQ; I don't care to speculate.  Had the name of the Prophet been important, it would have been provided."  It is likely that you got put on my "ignore" list for the content and quality of your dialogue. 

Rather than pick my answer apart, (for doubtless you will find it lacking somehow), perhaps you will take a stab at answering the question yourself.

H. Mutlu

It is hard to tolerate bullying/name calling--direct or implied.  Monotheists are family.  Would you drive them away?

Even among a person who is not (yet) a monotheist, there is no need to call that person unpleasant names or abuse them.  Treating another poorly may drive the person away instead of helping (ISA) them to a better path.

16:125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

ALLAH knows best.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

[shaban]

What is the "proper" interpretation, if you please? 

To properly interpret 5:69, just reading 5:68, the previous verse, is sufficient:

5:68 Say, "O people of the book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Injeel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." For many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the disbelievers.
 

As for the messenger being told in Ch 98

Chapter 98

The disbelievers of the people of the book, as well as the idol worshipers, insist on their ways, despite the proof given to them. A messenger from Allah is reciting to them sacred instructions.In them there are valuable teachings.In fact, those who received the book did not dispute until the proof was given to them.All that was asked of them was to worship Allah, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion.The disbelievers of the people of the book, and the idol worshipers, have incurred the fire of hell forever. They are the worst creatures.Those who believed and led a righteous life are the best creatures.

let me help make your desicion. since the chapter talks about people of the book, Moses and Jesus can't be , since they are among people of the book, so one of followings can be :

a) Mohammad

b) RK 

peace

[shaban]

You may wonder why I don't worship what the christian juwish guy worships. This is actually one of the basic messages of Quran.  plz read ch 109 (named "Disbelievers")

109:1 Say, "O you disbelievers.
109:2 "I do not worship what you worship.
109:3 "Nor do you worship what I worship.
109:4 "Nor will I ever worship what you worship.
109:5 "Nor will you ever worship what I worship.
109:6 "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

Notice the sura is not only for idol worshippers but for all disbelievers in general (for people who reject Mohammad and Quran). And notice, Allah also call faithful people who worship anything (any single God/ Gods/whatever) "disbelievers", not only atheists.

You may wonder this, because a christian for example believes in Jesus and in the god/existence who sent him as messenger (who is surely Allah) so why he is not considered as someone believing in Allah ?

the reason is very obvious and given in my first post.

peace

[Bender]

to bender

43:2 And the clarifying Book.
43:3 We have made it an Arabic Qur?an, perhaps you may comprehend.
43:4 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record with Us.

13:39 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book.


What is the master Book (OMMO EL KITAB ?)

Salaam,

I never studied this much, so I am not sure about my current understanding on it.
But per my current understanding it is a "Writing" were everything is recorded.
I have to study this more.

Did islam began with quran ? is Quran necessary for islam ?

I think if you understand what "islam" means, then you would have the answers to your questions.

if Quran is the Kitab, why Quran says that people received the kitab before quran appeared ?

salam

Quran is not exactly same as Kitaab, they are strongly connected but not the same, as per my current understanding.

Can you please give me a verse for the red part.

Salaam,
Bender

[Bender]

to bender

If God ask you, in the judgement day:
"Are you from people of the book?"
what do you will respond ?

I will respond: Yes i am.

salam

Salaam,

As per my current understanding I am definitely one of "the people of the book (Ahl AlKitaab)".

Salaam,
Bender

[youssef4342]

Well, now we would be ahle alkitab as well, since we have the Quran.

[shaban]

Why Muslims feel not concerned by the expression "people of the book" ?

because they had no book before revelation of Quran. 

the usage of the expression in AQ is for people who were given scripture before appearance of Mohammad. They can only be jews and christians.

Of course you may call yourself or any people "people of the book"as you wish, even a chinese who has a MOBY DICK book, since alkitab is not nesessarily divine scripture but any book. Yet what does it change ?

peace

[noshirk]

if Quran is the Kitab, why Quran says that people received the kitab before quran appeared ?

Can you please give me a verse for the red part.

4:131 And to God is what is in the heavens and the earth; and We have instructed those who were given the Book before you, and you, to be aware of God. And if you reject, then to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth; God is Rich, Praiseworthy.
5:57 O you who believe, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the Book before you and the rejecters. And be aware of God if you are believers.
57:16 Has not the time come for those who believed to open up their hearts for the remembrance of God, and the truth that is revealed herein? And they should not be like those who were given the Book before, and the waiting became long for them, so their hearts became hardened, and many of them were wicked.


Now; read this verse:
3:67 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist who submitted; he was not of the polytheists.

The question is: Why Abraham  was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene ?

And read this:
28:52 Those to whom We had given the Book before this, they will believe in it.
28:53 And if it is recited to them, they say: "We believe in it. It is the truth from our Lord. Indeed,we had submitted before it."

in 28-53, the arabic version says, for the blue part: we were already Muslims
وَإِذَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِهِ إِنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا مِن قَبْلِهِ مُسْلِمِينَ
The question is:
How is it possible that the status of "Muslim" is not affected by recognizing Quran ?


salam

[Bender]

4:131 And to God is what is in the heavens and the earth; and We have instructed those who were given the Book before you, and you, to be aware of God. And if you reject, then to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth; God is Rich, Praiseworthy.
5:57 O you who believe, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the Book before you and the rejecters. And be aware of God if you are believers.
57:16 Has not the time come for those who believed to open up their hearts for the remembrance of God, and the truth that is revealed herein? And they should not be like those who were given the Book before, and the waiting became long for them, so their hearts became hardened, and many of them were wicked.

Salaam,

Thank you for the verses. But nowhere I can read AlQuran in these verses.
Please read the verses carefully.

Now; read this verse:
3:67 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist who submitted; he was not of the polytheists.

The question is: Why Abraham  was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene ?

And read this:
28:52 Those to whom We had given the Book before this, they will believe in it.
28:53 And if it is recited to them, they say: "We believe in it. It is the truth from our Lord. Indeed,we had submitted before it."

in 28-53, the arabic version says, for the blue part: we were already Muslims
وَإِذَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِهِ إِنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا مِن قَبْلِهِ مُسْلِمِينَ
The question is:
How is it possible that the status of "Muslim" is not affected by recognizing Quran ?


salam

That's why I said that you first have to know what "muslim" means. If you know what muslim means then you will get the answer for al those questions.

see for examplese these verses:
3:52 So when Jesus felt their rejection, he said: "Who are my supporters to God?" The disciples said: "We are the supporters of God, we believe in God and we bear witness that we are muslims."

10:84 And Moses said: "O my people, if you believe in God, then put your trust in Him if you are muslims."

Salaam,
Bender

[noshirk]

That's why I said that you first have to know what "muslim" means. If you know what muslim means then you will get the answer for al those questions.

That's it.
We don't know what "muslim" means.
it seems also that we don't know what the book means, what the "people of the book" means.
according to 3-67, it seems that we don't know also what jew or nazorean means.

we will discover all that in the judgement day and perhaps, many "muslims" will discover that they were not muslims.
I think it is the meaning of the First sourate of the quran. We are inable to understand the first page of Quran.

Why abraham was neither a jew or nazarean, but muslim ? What does that mean ?
Why there is an opposition and when did jews and nazoreans became "not muslims", if they had ever been muslims ?
if we have the response to this question, perhaps we will discover that it can be applied to "current" muslims.

salam.

[shaban]

We don't know what "muslim" means.
it seems also that we don't know what the book means, what the "people of the book" means.
according to 3-67, it seems that we don't know also what jew or nazorean means.

 

Interesting that people in the forum who strongly advocate the idea against hadith-followers that no extra source needed to understand the easy and clear message of AQ, keep silence for days after your claim that even the basic concepts of AQ such as muslim,book, people of book etc. are unclear.

I think everybody here likes your genius idea of confusing things so much to continue believing Rashad's jewish/christian submitters instead of Allah's worst creatures. 

peace

[noshirk]

Interesting that people in the forum who strongly advocate the idea against hadith-followers that no extra source needed to understand the easy and clear message of AQ, keep silence for days after your claim that even the basic concepts of AQ such as muslim,book, people of book etc. are unclear.

I think everybody here likes your genius idea of confusing things so much to continue believing Rashad's jewish/christian submitters instead of Allah's worst creatures. 

peace

Searching the true is the aim of this forum.
Searching the true supposes that we admit that we didn't found it.

26:210 And it is not the devils who have brought this down.

but we know who are the people that devils likes:

26:221 Shall I inform you on whom the devils come down?
26:222 They come down on every sinful liar.
26:223 They "repeat what they heard", but most of them are liars.

That are lies seekers: People who follows what somebody  heards from somebody  that himself heard from somebody   that heards from somebody  ....

these are people who can be easily convinced that they found the truth  since the primary school 


25:73 And those who when they are reminded of the revelations of their Lord, they do not fall on them deaf and blind.
 

45:6 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
 

notice that 45:6 orders also not to believe  in rashad khalifa who wrote himself his message.

A true seeker si this:
38:29 A Book that We have sent down to you, that is blessed, so that they may reflect upon its revelations, and so that those who possess intelligence will take heed.
 and this:
3:190 In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference between the night and the day, are signs for those who possess intelligence.
and this:
12:111 In their stories is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. It is not a narration that has been invented, but an authentication of what is between his hands and a detailing of all things, and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.
and certainly not this:
10:36 Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. God is aware of what they do.
and not this:
4:49 Did you not see those who ascribe purity to themselves? No, it is God who purifies whom He wills, and they will not be wronged in the least.
4:50 See how they invent lies about God! And that is enough as a clear sin.


The only thing that i can say to people who follows other than God and his revelations is :
109:6 To you is your system, and to me is mine.

So the only question that i have to hadiths followers is inspired from this:
30:32 From those who have divided their system and become sects, each group is happy with what it has.
What is the good doctrine what makes you happy ? is it sunnism ? is it shiisme ? is it salafisme ? is it wahabism ? is it soufism ?....
in What narrative other that god revelations have you found happiness ?

salam