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Karimah:
Both Secular and Sectarian governments can be abusive and terrible but personally I would much rather have a secular government because I believe that one person's religion shouldn't dictate what others can do in their own life.

Kaiokenred:

--- Quote from: Abdul-Hadi on April 27, 2012, 08:32:17 AM ---Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

Example of government in AQ:

2:247 And their prophet said to them: "GOD has sent Saul to you as a king." They said: "How can he have the kingship when we are more deserving than him, and he has not been given an abundance of wealth?" He said: "GOD has chosen him over you and increased him in knowledge and physical stature." GOD grants His sovereignty to whom He chooses; and GOD is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

16:116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about GOD. Those who invent lies about GOD will not succeed.

Surely, you weren't claiming that government was forbidden, were you?  :)

AQ does contain a system/Deen, and anything that operates within that system is lawful.  Some of the things that operate within the system work better than other things, and some work better in different times and places than others.

It was bolded for those with eyes to see and minds to reason.

Can you state ALLAH's Law as it pertains to organization of people?  Links to somebody else's Kool-Aid are not desired.

ALLAH knows best.

 :peace:

~Abdul-Hadi

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Governments aren't forbidden in Islam, you know why? Because Islam and governments can't co-exist.
You have to do more than stating a verse from a changed Quran with corrupted translations to make me disagree with my own common sense.

Jafar:

--- Quote from: ExplorerSeeker86 on April 27, 2012, 08:41:20 AM ---You know Abdul funny that the Bible doesn't describe Saul as an entirely good guy. It says he later went astray. It also says that he was made king because the people rejected the Judges to rule over them because the other nations had kings.

Samuel told them that because of this the kings would steal their cattle, draft their sons for wars, etc. God granted their request though.

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It's interesting you mentioned "Samuel"...
Early Israelites doesn't have any King/Sultan/Ruler/Dictator/Warlord... before Samuel...

What they had were only administrators and judges...


youssef4342:
Peace & greetings be with you guys as well.

There would be some nice things about a non-religious government, and also bad things.

*How moral and godly would they be?
*And to what extent freedoms are granted?
*What code of law/basis are they going to lay their foundation upon ?
*God Almighty seemingly becoming a taboo in the public school system
*Power, greed, and injustice
*Who is going to rule the country (religious affiliations, race, etc)


and if you think that America has a lovely government, please read
Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About, by Kevin Trudeau
In the Book, please read about the corruption of the FDA and other Government organizations.
"it's all about the money"


Yes i would like the freedoms that i have in America, which could be derived and supported form the Quran itself...
There is no compulsion in religion (2:256), as we cannot guide everyone (6:149),
There is freedom to do (41:40)
There is freedom of worship (39:15)
these things might not be practiced by the so called "muslim" countries.

Abdul-Hadi:
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:


--- Quote from: Kaiokenred on April 28, 2012, 09:14:01 AM ---Governments aren't forbidden in Islam, you know why? Because Islam and governments can't co-exist.
You have to do more than stating a verse from a changed Quran with corrupted translations to make me disagree with my own common sense.

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Do you have any Quranic evidence to support your position, if you seek to influence others to your understanding?  Provide a translation that you think is valid, or even your own translation.

Did you have this "common sense" before reading SOL?  :hmm Is it [SOL] somehow more compelling evidence than AQ? 

Nobody claims that any one form of government is 100% good all of the time, or appropriate for all times or places.

109:6 "To you is your system, and to me is mine."

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

 :peace:

~Abdul-Hadi

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