Halal.. the real definition?

[sushi1992]

Where does it say this in the Koran? Is there something in the Koran about how to slaughter animals or that animals need to be slaughtered?

Also Bigmo (Selam ),

I don't think there is tbh... (not that I can recall at least...  ) one person was telling me "moses/musa cut an animal by the jugular vein on his journey" but for some reason after reading 42 surah's I can't seem to recall this.... think I might have to retrace my steps and dig this out... Sometimes I find I might need to just go over one of the surahs' again just to clarify something .

Peace 

[Bigmo]

Also Bigmo (Selam ),

I don't think there is tbh... (not that I can recall at least...  ) one person was telling me "moses/musa cut an animal by the jugular vein on his journey" but for some reason after reading 42 surah's I can't seem to recall this.... think I might have to retrace my steps and dig this out... Sometimes I find I might need to just go over one of the surahs' again just to clarify something .

Peace 

It says we are to eat meat with God's name pronounced on it and not other dieties.

[sushi1992]

It says we are to eat meat with God's name pronounced on it and not other dieties.

Precisely Bigmo . The way I take that is we should eat food that we have mentioned Allah's name upon... Not anything to do with slaughter. But the mass majority of Muslims in the world eat 'halal' meat (labelled halal). I'm guessing this is because of the assumption that the way of slaughter is humane, ethical and does not create pain in the animal? I'm quite scientifically equipped, however if anyone knows, from what I know, slitting the jugular vein is painless and creates instant unconsciousness. What about electrocuting... I don't like the idea of it at all but anyone know of the process the body goes through?

Peace  

[farida]

But the mass majority of Muslims in the world eat 'halal' meat (labelled halal).

Peace  

Most mass produced meat that goes in the supremarket shelves, as well in halal shops, is slaughtered according to the Jewish method of slaughter, callled Shechita/shehitah. This is acceptable to Muslims who liscence it as Halal, from there its distributed to many parts of the world. For example Newzealand Lamb is transported all over the world having been slaughtered this way , and that is why there is a lot of fuss in Britain that supermarkets are selling halal meat so there is a demand from public that all meat  to be label'd but its actully Shechita and there is resistance from meat producers to reveal method of slaughtering, lets see who wins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_NDnwuvioU
Korsher has got nothing to do with slaughtering as our jewish brother would tell you, its mainly prayers done on all sorts of food by the Rabbi.
 

I don't like the idea of it at all but anyone know of the process the body goes through?

However few  Sunni do not believe in the mechanical method and have different methods as shown here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5BWafzEu4&feature=related
Salaam

[sushi1992]

Most mass produced meat that goes in the supremarket shelves, as well in halal shops, is slaughtered according to the Jewish method of slaughter, callled Shechita/shehitah. This is acceptable to Muslims who liscence it as Halal, from there its distributed to many parts of the world. For example Newzealand Lamb is transported all over the world having been slaughtered this way , and that is why there is a lot of fuss in Britain that supermarkets are selling halal meat so there is a demand from public that all meat  to be label'd but its actully Shechita and there is resistance from meat producers to reveal method of slaughtering, lets see who wins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_NDnwuvioU
Korsher has got nothing to do with slaughtering as our jewish brother would tell you, its mainly prayers done on all sorts of food by the Rabbi.
  However few  Sunni do not believe in the mechanical method and have different methods as shown here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5BWafzEu4&feature=related
Salaam

Selam Farida ,

Thank you for showing me the vids. To me I felt the second vid (and I watched both parts) seemed better to me as at least the animal is calm and in a state of relaxation. The mechanical way of doing it (first vid) kind of felt a bit too... mechanical, in the sense of putting the animal in that cast where it can still see whats happening... though I suppose at least it doesn't see the knife (but could probably see the blood around it). Out of interest Farida, what is your opinion on the subject? Which of the slaughter processes do you prefer? In seems also to me that both the Qur'an and Torah tell us about how an animal should be treated however does anyone know a reference to this in the Bible? Would have thought mum knows because she's a catholic but she doesn't so anyone out there knows please let me know .

Peace out  

[youssef4342]

From my would-be current understanding

1) God's name does NOT need to be Mentioned AT THE TIME OF SLAUGHTERING.
2) God's name MUST be ***Remembered***before EATING THE ANIMAL

***the word used has the root of Z-K-R, thus you can remember God's name silently over the food, or outloud either way
(Does remembering God's name make a difference? Yes! (research :Masaru Emoto: Messages from Water)

*I think there are laws in the us which make Animals like cows have to be shot by a blow in the head before slaughtering to kind of render the animal brain dead
(This would render the animal unlawful since it has kind of been stricken/hit with an object, even if the animal is slaughtered after, the heart might not function properly to pump the blood out from the body, and the blood might retain in the organs, tissue/meat etc)

*Please only eat organic Kosher or Halal meat, that would be the best option.

[sushi1992]

From my would-be current understanding

1) God's name does NOT need to be Mentioned AT THE TIME OF SLAUGHTERING.
2) God's name MUST be ***Remembered***before EATING THE ANIMAL

***the word used has the root of Z-K-R, thus you can remember God's name silently over the food, or outloud either way
(Does remembering God's name make a difference? Yes! (research :Masaru Emoto: Messages from Water)

*I think there are laws in the us which make Animals like cows have to be shot by a blow in the head before slaughtering to kind of render the animal brain dead
(This would render the animal unlawful since it has kind of been stricken/hit with an object, even if the animal is slaughtered after, the heart might not function properly to pump the blood out from the body, and the blood might retain in the organs, tissue/meat etc)

*Please only eat organic Kosher or Halal meat, that would be the best option.

Thanks Youssef,

This is exactly my understanding that the name of Allah doesn't necessarily have to be mentioned when slaughtering but an animal must be slaughtered in an ethical and not by the way Allah mentions NOT to happen. Eating Halal or Kosher meat does give you a better feeling that you are eating at least an animal that we hope has been slaughtered in an ethical way.

Peace 

[youssef4342]

Peace be with you as well,
You are welcome.
Please also don't forget to get ORGANIC Kosher/Halal meat.
It wouldn't be a nice thing to eat hormone injected animals, living in unsanitary conditions, and are not allowed to roam free, and feed an unnatural diet of fortified man made food instead of their natural diet.

[sushi1992]

Peace be with you as well,
You are welcome.
Please also don't forget to get ORGANIC Kosher/Halal meat.
It wouldn't be a nice thing to eat hormone injected animals, living in unsanitary conditions, and are not allowed to roam free, and feed an unnatural diet of fortified man made food instead of their natural diet.

Youssef as much as I would prefer to buy ORGANIC food... I honestly haven't seen any kind of organic halal/kosher meat anywhere in my whole area. I'd have to be searching high and low for it. The best I can do at this present moment is to eat halal/kosher and if I do happen to bump into organic meat then by all means, i'll buy . As I mentioned previously, I'm not really much of a meat eater and love my veggies so all good .

Peace 

[youssef4342]

Same here, i currently don't really eat meat....It's kind of hard on my digestion.

people should look into how conventionally prepared animals are brought up and how they're fed....
Ever watched the documentary Earthlings?