Critical Examination of Islam > Quranic Divinity
Why didn't God guide all the sunis, shia an the rest who believe in the Quran?
Bigmo:
--- Quote from: Student of Allah on March 17, 2012, 08:03:51 AM ---Shalom Aleikhem,
When someone claims that Sahih-Bukhari is flawless, and then they are shown that it isnt the case, I would expect them to not call me a kafir. Specially when they finally agrees that it is not flawless. Specially when they are shown and they agree on the flaws in hadith science and ridiculous tafsirs by their sheikhs. I would like them to stop being robots.
Unfortunately ...that is not easy. The point you made about conformism is kinda true. Although the idea of "No god beside The God" is simple, most find comfort in setting partners.... :(
I just do my part of the job, I do some "dawah" , it sometime works, sometimes it does not.
PEACE
------------ Student of Allah
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What I meant is what actual changes did youe xpect of them. So lets say they say Bukhari is false. Ok, and then how is that going to change their life?
Student of Allah:
--- Quote from: Bigmo on March 17, 2012, 08:33:59 AM ---What I meant is what actual changes did youe xpect of them. So lets say they say Bukhari is false. Ok, and then how is that going to change their life?
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Shalom aleikhem,
lol...
ok.. then they would want to be righteous instead of cutting corners to heaven in the name of sunnah. They are more into eating dates and keeping beards to get into heaven, so they reading and implementing principles in Qur'an would make them better.
When you are brain washed with the idea that holding a 2unit salat near kabah and kissing a black stone guarantees your entry to heaven, its not healthy for you. That kind of mentality is held up by HADITHS. So, after they realise that it isnt the case... since they all want to enter heaven, they would do the right things, or atleast think about doing things.
PEACE
----------- Student of Allah
mmkhan:
--- Quote from: Student of Allah on March 17, 2012, 08:03:51 AM ---Shalom Aleikhem,
When someone claims that Sahih-Bukhari is flawless, and then they are shown that it isnt the case, I would expect them to not call me a kafir. Specially when they finally agrees that it is not flawless. Specially when they are shown and they agree on the flaws in hadith science and ridiculous tafsirs by their sheikhs. I would like them to stop being robots.
Unfortunately ...that is not easy. The point you made about conformism is kinda true. Although the idea of "No god beside The God" is simple, most find comfort in setting partners.... :(
I just do my part of the job, I do some "dawah" , it sometime works, sometimes it does not.
PEACE
------------ Student of Allah
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Shalom Aleikhem SoA,
I understand what you were discussing but I am not to force anyone except for suggestions.
With respect I disagree with your highlighted sentence above. As I believe [my personal opinion] that what you were doing is not to be considered as dawah.
Reasons:
16:125 اُدۡعُ اِلٰی سَبِیۡلِ رَبِّکَ بِالۡحِکۡمَۃِ وَ الۡمَوۡعِظَۃِ الۡحَسَنَۃِ وَ جَادِلۡہُمۡ بِالَّتِیۡ ہِیَ اَحۡسَنُ ؕ اِنَّ رَبَّکَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِمَنۡ ضَلَّ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِہٖ وَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِالۡمُہۡتَدِیۡنَ
16:125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
Similar aayaats: 22:67, 28:87
41:33 وَ مَنۡ اَحۡسَنُ قَوۡلًا مِّمَّنۡ دَعَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ وَ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَّ قَالَ اِنَّنِیۡ مِنَ الۡمُسۡلِمِیۡنَ
41:33 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says: I am one of those who have submitted.
I might be completely wrong but I did not find such reason in your blue part above. And my way also the same, inshaAllah.
12:108 قُلۡ ہٰذِہٖ سَبِیۡلِیۡۤ اَدۡعُوۡۤا اِلَی اللّٰہِ ۟ؔ عَلٰی بَصِیۡرَۃٍ اَنَا وَ مَنِ اتَّبَعَنِیۡ ؕ وَ سُبۡحٰنَ اللّٰہِ وَ مَاۤ اَنَا مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ
12:108 Say: "This is my way, I invite to God in full disclosure, myself and whoever follows me. And glory be to God; and I am not of the polytheists."
Please don't take it wrong, I was saying something similar to brother Bigmo before and he misunderstood the whole thing.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path :pr
mmKhan
Bigmo:
--- Quote from: mmkhan on March 20, 2012, 05:48:28 AM ---Shalom Aleikhem SoA,
I understand what you were discussing but I am not to force anyone except for suggestions.
With respect I disagree with your highlighted sentence above. As I believe [my personal opinion] that what you were doing is not to be considered as dawah.
Reasons:
16:125 اُدۡعُ اِلٰی سَبِیۡلِ رَبِّکَ بِالۡحِکۡمَۃِ وَ الۡمَوۡعِظَۃِ الۡحَسَنَۃِ وَ جَادِلۡہُمۡ بِالَّتِیۡ ہِیَ اَحۡسَنُ ؕ اِنَّ رَبَّکَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِمَنۡ ضَلَّ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِہٖ وَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِالۡمُہۡتَدِیۡنَ
16:125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
Similar aayaats: 22:67, 28:87
41:33 وَ مَنۡ اَحۡسَنُ قَوۡلًا مِّمَّنۡ دَعَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ وَ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَّ قَالَ اِنَّنِیۡ مِنَ الۡمُسۡلِمِیۡنَ
41:33 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says: I am one of those who have submitted.
I might be completely wrong but I did not find such reason in your blue part above. And my way also the same, inshaAllah.
12:108 قُلۡ ہٰذِہٖ سَبِیۡلِیۡۤ اَدۡعُوۡۤا اِلَی اللّٰہِ ۟ؔ عَلٰی بَصِیۡرَۃٍ اَنَا وَ مَنِ اتَّبَعَنِیۡ ؕ وَ سُبۡحٰنَ اللّٰہِ وَ مَاۤ اَنَا مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ
12:108 Say: "This is my way, I invite to God in full disclosure, myself and whoever follows me. And glory be to God; and I am not of the polytheists."
Please don't take it wrong, I was saying something similar to brother Bigmo before and he misunderstood the whole thing.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path :pr
mmKhan
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But Student of Allah is using the Koran so i don't think he violated those verses unless he is using insults and foul language which i doubt. What i meant was whether the issue he is looking for in terms of change is actually important. This is because most Muslim simply perform the rituals of Islam and these rituals in the end are a means to an end not an end by themselves. I say this is because i think the main difference between the Koranist persuasion and Sunni Islam could be in our concept of an Islamic state. It is that where we and Sunni islam differ the most. Our understanding of justice, freedom differ greatky. But i think Student of Allah was looking at superstitions and faulty mentalities like black dog and going to haj to forgive sins and eating with right hand etc. But sometimes I wonder whether its the average Muslim we differ with or with political Islam.
mmkhan:
--- Quote from: Bigmo on March 24, 2012, 09:09:05 AM ---But Student of Allah is using the Koran so i don't think he violated those verses unless he is using insults and foul language which i doubt. What i meant was whether the issue he is looking for in terms of change is actually important. This is because most Muslim simply perform the rituals of Islam and these rituals in the end are a means to an end not an end by themselves. I say this is because i think the main difference between the Koranist persuasion and Sunni Islam could be in our concept of an Islamic state. It is that where we and Sunni islam differ the most. Our understanding of justice, freedom differ greatky. But i think Student of Allah was looking at superstitions and faulty mentalities like black dog and going to haj to forgive sins and eating with right hand etc. But sometimes I wonder whether its the average Muslim we differ with or with political Islam.
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Salaam brother Bigmo,
As per my understanding we are only allowed to spread the word of Allah. Let them ponder on it, then tally with their belief and then decide to accept or reject the word of Allah. They will be asked whether they get the aayaats of Allah recited on them or not. Allah is not gonna ask them whether no one shows you flaws in what you believe.
23:104 تَلۡفَحُ وُجُوۡہَہُمُ النَّارُ وَ ہُمۡ فِیۡہَا کٰلِحُوۡنَ
23:104 The Fire will scorch their faces, and in it their grin will be with displaced lips.
23:105 اَلَمۡ تَکُنۡ اٰیٰتِیۡ تُتۡلٰی عَلَیۡکُمۡ فَکُنۡتُمۡ بِہَا تُکَذِّبُوۡنَ
23:105 "Were My aayaats not recited to you, then you denied them?"
23:106 قَالُوۡا رَبَّنَا غَلَبَتۡ عَلَیۡنَا شِقۡوَتُنَا وَ کُنَّا قَوۡمًا ضَآلِّیۡنَ
23:106 They said: "Our Lord, our wickedness overcame us, and we were a misguided people."
It is not for us to show flaws in books that they believe in. And we are not be questioned if they don't believe in what we say. So, why wasting time on that and the most dangerous part is IF they run away from the path of Allah after seeing the flaws in their loving books, we may have to carry some of their burdens. And we cannot guide anyone whom we wish the most also.
16:37 اِنۡ تَحۡرِصۡ عَلٰی ہُدٰىہُمۡ فَاِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَا یَہۡدِیۡ مَنۡ یُّضِلُّ وَ مَا لَہُمۡ مِّنۡ نّٰصِرِیۡنَ
16:37 If you are concerned for their guidance, God does not guide whom He misguides; and they will have no supporters.
It is always better to forward the aayaats of The Book in the best possible way and we are finish with our duty, inshaAllah.
14:52 ہٰذَا بَلٰغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ وَ لِیُنۡذَرُوۡا بِہٖ وَ لِیَعۡلَمُوۡۤا اَنَّمَا ہُوَ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ وَّ لِیَذَّکَّرَ اُولُوا الۡاَلۡبَابِ
14:52 This is a Message to be delivered to mankind that they may be warned by it, and that they may know that He is One God, and that all possessed of minds may remember.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path :pr
mmKhan
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