Questions to quraniyoon

[MesMorial]

Sunna-Hero;

Sexual maturation occurs about 16, so society would set it about 16-18.

You seem to have no clue about 65:4:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603544.msg293373#msg293373

Do refute (if you can). All we should care about is the logic.

Cheers.

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

Everyone has an opportunity, ISA. It is up to the individual to grasp the opportunity or squander it. How many of us were previously caught up in lies?  It harms us nothing to present the truth and invite with logic and the best words. ISA, anyone seeking the truth that "stumbles" upon these posts will be guided.

my reply to ur answers.

1. Thats not an answer. I asked if sex with animals are allowed or not according to the quran and not about lewdness. By the way what you consider as lewdness might not be ledwness according to another person. Maybe sex with animals isnt lewdness for someone can he then have sex with animals? Can you define lewdness using the quran alone?

2. where is that written in the quran?

3. so sahaba karam were not important/

4.from where do u know that this command was to muhammad?

5. darab means beat. i myself i am lebanese from lebanon arab and arabic is my native language. darab means beat

6. so one is left to decide for himself regarding how much charity he wants to give?

7. when is a person mature? Qur'an 65:4 As for those who have reached menopause from your women, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months - as well as for those who did not menstruate. And those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.

so if we were to follow quran alone men would be allowed to marry babies 

hey BTW. quran says we shall make wudu but does quran also tells us what breaks wudu?

@Sunnah-hero:

1. The answer "unlawful" is straightforward. The Quranic evidence is unimpeachable...but perhaps you just want to argue?

18:57 And who is more wicked than he who was reminded of the revelations of his Lord but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided.

8:6 They argue with you about the truth when it has been made clear to them; as if they were being herded towards death while they are watching!

16:125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

2. This ONE time only I will use the search function for you.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188

2:185 A month of aspiration [shahru ramaḍāna], in which the Qur'an was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. GOD wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify GOD for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

2:217 They ask you about the restricted month: "Is there fighting in it?" Say: "Much fighting is in it, and to repel from the path of GOD and to disbelieve in it, and the Restricted Temple, to drive its inhabitants out from it is far greater with GOD, and persecution is worse than being killed." And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!

10:5 He is the One who has made the sun a radiance, and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases; that you may know the number of the years and the count. GOD has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.

17:12 And We made the night and the day as two signs, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day to see-in, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. And everything We have detailed completely.

2:189 They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say: "They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage." And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of GOD that you may succeed.

7:142 And We appointed for Moses thirty nights and completed them with ten, so the appointed time of his Lord was completed at forty nights. And Moses said to his brother Aaron: "Be my successor with my people and be upright, and do not follow the path of the corrupters."

3. Bingo.

4. You can have it either way you want--either the Messenger (peace upon all Messengers) in AQ is Muhammad (peace upon all Prophets) or the Messenger is not. Given Surat 47, the answer is clear and understood by all.

5. The root word for strike is wkz, not drb.

39:18 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

2:190 And fight in the cause of GOD against those who fight you, but do not aggress, GOD does not love the aggressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.
2:192 And if they cease, then GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.
2:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for GOD. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

60:8 GOD does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For GOD loves the equitable.
60:9 But GOD does prohibit you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.

8:61 And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

4:90 Except for those who reach a people with whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had GOD willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and do not fight you, and they offer you peace; then GOD does not make for you a path against them.

6. The instructions are clear: give from the excess and don't be extravagant or stingy.

7. To take 65:4 to mean a prepubescent girl is impious. The other passages quoted leave no doubt that 65:4 refers to a grown woman who does not have three monthly courses.

The wudu question can be answered easily. However, I'll wait until you answer the questions posed to you before addressing this new question. Twice now your questions have been answered. It is only balanced that you reciprocate with some answers.

Please note the similarity of your arguments to those in 2:67-71.

8:2 The believers are those whom, when GOD is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord.

May ALLAH see fit to increase us all in useful knowledge.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

[Sunnah-hero]

Greetings and Peace, all 

Everyone has an opportunity, ISA. It is up to the individual to grasp the opportunity or squander it. How many of us were previously caught up in lies?  It harms us nothing to present the truth and invite with logic and the best words. ISA, anyone seeking the truth that "stumbles" upon these posts will be guided.

@Sunnah-hero:

1. The answer "unlawful" is straightforward. The Quranic evidence is unimpeachable...but perhaps you just want to argue?

18:57 And who is more wicked than he who was reminded of the revelations of his Lord but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided.

8:6 They argue with you about the truth when it has been made clear to them; as if they were being herded towards death while they are watching!

16:125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

2. This ONE time only I will use the search function for you.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188

2:185 A month of aspiration [shahru ramaḍāna], in which the Qur'an was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. GOD wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify GOD for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

2:217 They ask you about the restricted month: "Is there fighting in it?" Say: "Much fighting is in it, and to repel from the path of GOD and to disbelieve in it, and the Restricted Temple, to drive its inhabitants out from it is far greater with GOD, and persecution is worse than being killed." And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!

10:5 He is the One who has made the sun a radiance, and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases; that you may know the number of the years and the count. GOD has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.

17:12 And We made the night and the day as two signs, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day to see-in, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. And everything We have detailed completely.

2:189 They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say: "They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage." And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of GOD that you may succeed.

7:142 And We appointed for Moses thirty nights and completed them with ten, so the appointed time of his Lord was completed at forty nights. And Moses said to his brother Aaron: "Be my successor with my people and be upright, and do not follow the path of the corrupters."

3. Bingo.

4. You can have it either way you want--either the Messenger (peace upon all Messengers) in AQ is Muhammad (peace upon all Prophets) or the Messenger is not. Given Surat 47, the answer is clear and understood by all.

5. The root word for strike is wkz, not drb.

39:18 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

2:190 And fight in the cause of GOD against those who fight you, but do not aggress, GOD does not love the aggressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.
2:192 And if they cease, then GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.
2:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for GOD. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

60:8 GOD does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For GOD loves the equitable.
60:9 But GOD does prohibit you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.

8:61 And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

4:90 Except for those who reach a people with whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had GOD willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and do not fight you, and they offer you peace; then GOD does not make for you a path against them.

6. The instructions are clear: give from the excess and don't be extravagant or stingy.

7. To take 65:4 to mean a prepubescent girl is impious. The other passages quoted leave no doubt that 65:4 refers to a grown woman who does not have three monthly courses.

The wudu question can be answered easily. However, I'll wait until you answer the questions posed to you before addressing this new question. Twice now your questions have been answered. It is only balanced that you reciprocate with some answers.

Please note the similarity of your arguments to those in 2:67-71.

8:2 The believers are those whom, when GOD is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord.

May ALLAH see fit to increase us all in useful knowledge.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

Ok. let me hear what you have to say regarding wudu. And how do you know what the reason behind a verse is without history(hadith)? How do you know mohammed was born in mekka?

If sahaba were not important why are they mentioned in the quran? :

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلۡمُدَّثِّرُ (١) قُمۡ فَأَنذِرۡ (٢
 
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ جَآءُو بِٱلۡإِفۡكِ عُصۡبَةٌ۬ مِّنكُمۡ‌ۚ لَا تَحۡسَبُوهُ شَرًّ۬ا لَّكُم‌ۖ بَلۡ هُوَ خَيۡرٌ۬ لَّكُمۡ‌ۚ

لَّوۡلَآ إِذۡ سَمِعۡتُمُوهُ ظَنَّ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتُ بِأَنفُسِہِمۡ خَيۡرً۬ا وَقَالُواْ هَـٰذَآ إِفۡكٌ۬ مُّبِينٌ۬ (١٢) لَّوۡلَا جَآءُو عَلَيۡهِ بِأَرۡبَعَةِ شُہَدَآءَ‌ۚ فَإِذۡ لَمۡ يَأۡتُواْ بِٱلشُّہَدَآءِ فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ هُمُ ٱلۡكَـٰذِبُونَ (١٣) (Noor: 11-13)
 
۞ لَّقَدۡ رَضِىَ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ إِذۡ يُبَايِعُونَكَ تَحۡتَ ٱلشَّجَرَةِ فَعَلِمَ مَا فِى قُلُوبِہِمۡ فَأَنزَلَ ٱلسَّكِينَةَ عَلَيۡہِمۡ وَأَثَـٰبَهُمۡ فَتۡحً۬ا قَرِيبً۬ا

[Sunnah-hero]

How dare you make fun of aayat of AlQuraan? Do you forget that Allah is gonna make you stand alone in front of Him to show you what you have done? How you gonna answer? This is what you have respect for the word of Allah? How dare you quote the aayat and make fun of it?     

Surely I will be the witness in Judgement Day for what you have done.

Repent now! Ask Allah's forgiveness as soon as you read this. Hopefully Allah may forgive you. Don't you know what Allah is? He is Creator of everything. Did you understand His powers? I don't think so you do, otherwise you would have shivered before you write that sentence.

How can you give more importance to man written books over Allah's aayat? You wrote all garbage with so much respect and make fun of Allah's word? How dare you? 

Oh Allah please please please forgive us all and do not catch us on our mistakes that we do in ignorance. Oh Allah, please forgive us and guide us all to Your true path. Oh Allah!! Please make us 100% free from all kind of Shirk and make us pure servant of Yours. Oh Allah!! Please accept this from me 

mmKhan

I am just exposing your stupidy. Quran cannot be followed without the ahadith. For instance quran does not mention what breaks wudu.. how do u know it ? Quran does not set a age for marriage... quran even mentions that girls who yet do not menstruate can be divorced.. now if i didnt knew the ahadith I would perhaps think that it means i can marry babies right ?

[Sunnah-hero]

Dear Sunna-Hero;

I am non-Muslim, but I know Sunnism is theologically, religiously, spiritually, intellectually and morally wrong. I have addressed it to the extent that if ahadith are needed for Islam, everyone should leave it due to the massive doctrinal contradiction. You are thus in a quandary.

Now certain questions ask details which are not relevant to this, but we will see that as I answer. There are also answers where I can provide more background, so if you are serious, I will direct you if you so wish.

Note that I will answer you using your traditional understanding, just to prove that I do not have to give alternative views to "get around" anything.


***


1. As pointed out above, lewdness and sex with other than the opposite sex is condemned. I wrote about masturbation, and the conclusion is that you should avoid erotic thoughts when you can, and if you can’t, then let it out quickly without making a fool of yourself in front of Allah. For example. lowering your gaze serves the purpose of minimizing certain thoughts. This question shows that you have not mastered the responsibility of adhering to Qur’anic PRINCIPLE. Is there prohibition against sex with watermelons in ahadith?


2. The month of Ramadan was known then, so it is like asking “Does the Qur’an teach you Arabic?” The Qur’an says the months are already well-known. Certain things (e.g. knowlegde of Arabic and how to count) are assumed. For example, suppose I am unfamiliar with any calendar - will ahadith help me? What if I don't know what the date is now?

All in all it fails to qualify as a candidate for "explanation". "Sunna" was not needed, because it was already known. You should stick with things which MAY require additional revelation, otherwise it is irrelevant to "sunna".


3. You have to prove that it’s relevant first. The Qur’an does mention about the next generations.


4. A silly question based on an un-Qur’anic premise.


5. If you want to look at it like that (I do not agree with "idhrib" as "beat"), then it must be done in a way that has a purpose. “Beating them” makes no sense when it comes to preventing divorce, so let us use that point to conclude it must be symbolic (i.e. a last statement).

The wife cannot be hospitalised, for she could not obey him afterwards (4:34). At least, she would not want to because women are not cattle who change their tune with violence. Rather, it should be an expression of contempt for her viewpoint. Divorce is not preferred (4:35), so all steps should be consistent with preventing it (not accelerating it). Thus, the head and sensitive/vulnerable parts should be avoided. This is consistent with the ahadith. The man would maybe lightly strike her once on the shoulder and push her (set forth) away a little, or once lightly on the chest. This would indicate he has had enough and that the "divorce wheel" is rolling. As soon as she obeys, the matter should be taken no further. If the man has struck her in this way once, and she is still resilient, separation should be sought (4:35). Striking more than once is adding to what the verse actually says.

We should use critical thinking, common sense and all principles in the Qur’an. “Striking” her has nothing to do with physically harming the wife. Situations should be dealt with according to what is appropriate. A man may separate from her instead.


6. As much as you can give (see 2:219).


7. Through simple deduction, when they are fully-matured physically and of sound mind (4:6, 17:34).


8. See next answer.


9. This shows you don’t know what the Qur’an is.

The Qur'an is a Book of moral and spiritual guidance (e.g. 7:52, 17:9), similitudes/examples (e.g. 3:61, 17:89, 66:1-5), narratives (e.g. 12:3), parables (e.g. 14:24) and real-time Revelations (e.g. 9:5, 33:59). All of these attributes contribute to the guiding quality of its Message.

All Revelation permanent to its addresses is included (e.g. 33:50). Where required, context is provided by the Qur'an itself.

Knowing the exact identity of Abu Lahab and his actions would make the example more effective. However, readers would be expected to confirm any details if they so desired, thus the importance of this surah lies in the demonstration of the powerlessness of humans (as opposed to God’s power in Sura 105). Abu Lahab (and his wife) obviously fell into the category of requiring forgiveness for sins, but would not be forgiven since they would not repent.

God forgives those who repent (8:38, 25:70, 85:10-11 etc.), thus in this way it is a prophecy. The point of the chapter is that the wealth and deeds of a human will not save him or her if he or she earns God’s displeasure. It thus also serves as a warning to others. Knowing Abu Lahab’s story is not important unless he is an article of faith (much the same way the orphans are in 4:3!).

Likewise, I can explain Sura 105 which re-emphasises God’s power. You don’t know how disappointed Islamophobes were when they used your tactics against me.


10. Pilgrimage is to the sacred masjid which was already known. They already knew where Bakka was, which is why other people went there (9:28). Suppose I have never heard of Mecca or Arabia - how will ahadith help me? Revisit the answer to question 2.


11. You don’t have to. Allah did not specify any number, but if it were established then He did not order it to be changed (seven is not too big and not too small, and thus should be available).

(It is worthwhile here to note that the pilgrimage is basically a large prayer. You are given the opportunity to express your devotion to Allah and ask His forgiveness on a grander scale, but good deeds are actually what discern a good person from a bad one (23:103-104, 90:11-17, 99:6-8, 106:6-9). However, without prayer Allah will not help one to eliminate their misdeeds (25:77), and so one must balance them by oneself. Good deeds bring one closer to Allah, and prayer/hajj without good deeds is impotent. One will not go to Hell simply for staying only two hours on Arafat or circling the Kaaba just once etc., but the more that one tries (in deed and devotion), the further you become from our past misdeeds.) You are not going to go to Hell for doing it once, because you actually performed the Hajj!

If you believe this is important, you misunderstand the point. Pietry is not in small things (2:177).


12. Just look at the purpose of marriage:


“They (wives) are an apparel for you and you (husbands) are an apparel for them.” (2:187)


“And they (wives) have rights similar to those against them in a just manner.” (2:228)


“And when you divorce women and they reach their prescribed time, then either retain them in good fellowship or set them free with liberality, and do not retain them for injury.” (2:231)


“O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly.” (4:19)


“And if a woman fears ill-usage or desertion on the part of her husband, there is no blame on them, if they effect a reconciliation between them, and reconciliation is better.” (4:128)


“And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest in them, and He put between you love and compassion.” (30:21)


Women have the same marital rights as men (2:228), and marriage is a product of consent and wanting and INTENDING to live together (in a state of harmony). If discomfort in marriage is foreseeable, people will not marry. If unforeseen discomfort occurs, they may eventually separate.

Women cannot be inherited against their will, which includes men giving women to men. For example, a man may give his sister to a man via a will, but this was forbidden. A man unrelated to the woman obviously has less right over her than a sibling, so this is included also.

The Qur'an provides all principles relevant to righteousness. It sets the responsibility on you to study it, but your laziness is your excuse to follow something else (and somehow deserve to be called "Muslim"!).

Now be a real hero and tell me where you got this:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603541.msg293307#msg293307

Cheers.

1. Can you define ledwness to me from the quran?

2. but these things are not known know thus we need ahadith

3. So sahaba or mohammed himself were of no importance? How do u know where muhammed sws was born? when he was born? with quran you cannot know ANYTHING about muhammed sws.

5. so you admit that you can actually beat your wife. first quraniy who admit it. bravo...

6.. and how do i know how much i can give ?

7. and is a 4 year old girl that?

10. its not known know. so if someone never knew any hadith how would he know that he has to make the pilgrime in mekka?

isnt it funny quraniyoon make hajj with the same people they consider kafirs ? LOL. 

[Sunnah-hero]

Salam,

Although I am a woman and you might not take my words seriously, but have you ever thought about the possibility of those questions being not important for Islam? If God didint tell you in the Quran then you simply dont need to know anything about sahaba or circulations around kaaba etc. 

Peace!

pardon... its important to know when my wudu is broken... moreover can you tell me ANY detail about prophet sws life from the quran ?

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

Ok. let me hear what you have to say regarding wudu. And how do you know what the reason behind a verse is without history(hadith)? How do you know mohammed was born in mekka?

If sahaba were not important why are they mentioned in the quran? :

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلۡمُدَّثِّرُ (١) قُمۡ فَأَنذِرۡ (٢
 
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ جَآءُو بِٱلۡإِفۡكِ عُصۡبَةٌ۬ مِّنكُمۡ‌ۚ لَا تَحۡسَبُوهُ شَرًّ۬ا لَّكُم‌ۖ بَلۡ هُوَ خَيۡرٌ۬ لَّكُمۡ‌ۚ

لَّوۡلَآ إِذۡ سَمِعۡتُمُوهُ ظَنَّ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتُ بِأَنفُسِہِمۡ خَيۡرً۬ا وَقَالُواْ هَـٰذَآ إِفۡكٌ۬ مُّبِينٌ۬ (١٢) لَّوۡلَا جَآءُو عَلَيۡهِ بِأَرۡبَعَةِ شُہَدَآءَ‌ۚ فَإِذۡ لَمۡ يَأۡتُواْ بِٱلشُّہَدَآءِ فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ هُمُ ٱلۡكَـٰذِبُونَ (١٣) (Noor: 11-13)
 
۞ لَّقَدۡ رَضِىَ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ إِذۡ يُبَايِعُونَكَ تَحۡتَ ٱلشَّجَرَةِ فَعَلِمَ مَا فِى قُلُوبِہِمۡ فَأَنزَلَ ٱلسَّكِينَةَ عَلَيۡہِمۡ وَأَثَـٰبَهُمۡ فَتۡحً۬ا قَرِيبً۬ا

@Sunnah-hero:

I reiterate:  The wudu question can be answered easily. However, I'll wait until you answer the questions posed to you before addressing this new question. If you have come to argue without listening or to make claims without evidence then I am quit of you--without malice, but quit of you just the same.

All that we need for the Deen is given in AQ. Why should anyone care where a Prophet (peace upon all Prophets) comes from/came from; is it not enough that they are a Prophet?  I don't know for sure that Mohammed (peace upon all Prophets) came from Mecca. I wasn't there and AQ doesn't state this claim. Even if I personally witnessed it with my own eyes, it isn't in AQ and isn't part of the Deen.

The sahaba lack the importance that you purport them to have. Dogs are in AQ, as are feces (5:6). Are they important to the Deen?

7:176 And if We had wished, We could have raised him with it, but he stuck to the earth and he followed his desire. His example is like the dog, if you scold him he pants, and if you leave him he pants; such is the example of the people who deny Our revelations. So tell the stories, perhaps they will think.

Nobody can accept the consequences for another. Think for yourself. If tradition is your idol, then you must follow your idol without me. If you understand language like you claim and have been exposed to knowledge as you have, then if you fail to follow the Guidance there is surely no blame that can be assigned to other than your own self.

ALLAH knows best.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

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Sunna-Hero;

1. Can you define ledwness to me from the quran?

You might first answer my point before I give you the privilege of asking further questions.

2. but these things are not known know thus we need ahadith

As I explained, you need general knowledge which the ahadith will not help you with if you are unfamiliar with Islamic calendars, lunar months or what date it is. The Qur’an provides the date and time for fasting, based on what was expected to be known by grown adults.

Again, keep to “sunna”.

3. So sahaba or mohammed himself were of no importance? How do u know where muhammed sws was born? when he was born? with quran you cannot know ANYTHING about muhammed sws.

So please prove that these things are relevant. The Qur’an says to judge the Qur’an by the Qur’an, not by someone’s opinion of Muhammad. The entire “isnad science” is removed by simple logic.

5. so you admit that you can actually beat your wife. first quraniy who admit it. bravo...

I simply say that if you are correct about the word (although all occurrences work as “set forth”, only some as “strike”), that is the logical process. Ahadith are merely good or bad examples of Qur’anic conduct, but they have to be traceable or else you end up following humans.

6.. and how do i know how much i can give ?

It’s up to you to budget (2:219)!

7. and is a 4 year old girl that?

I have answered that on another thread. On that thread I also answered your point about wudu.

10. its not known know. so if someone never knew any hadith how would he know that he has to make the pilgrime in mekka?

The Qur’an would instruct him to make the pilgrimage to Bakka. He is expected to know where this is, and if people choose to call it something different to what Allah calls it, that is their choice.

If he reads the Qur’an and does not know where it is, he must ask. He will find they choose to call it something different. If he reads ahadith and does not know where Mecca is, he must ask.

The intrinsic need for ahadith is not there.

isnt it funny quraniyoon make hajj with the same people they consider kafirs ? LOL

3:97 and 22:25 say that pilgrimage is for all.

[_Ala_]

pardon... its important to know when my wudu is broken... moreover can you tell me ANY detail about prophet sws life from the quran ?

Sunna Hero, you are acting like Bani Israel when Moses told them to sacrifice a cow and the asked hundreds of questions about the details of the cow. Which color, how big, they all look similar, we dont know, are we really going to... Like your questions about prophet Muhammed, and wudhuu and other issues, you are not satisfied with what God is telling you but want more details almost making it impossible  to live a normal life and being a Muslim.

Peace!

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Wudu is something meant to be done immediately before prayer (5:6), thus there should be no issue of "breaking" it. Wudu is about washing the face, hands and feet. When it is done, it's done. However, if you are unclean in some way, wash it off (4:43, 5:6).

Uncleanliness "breaks" one's preparation for prayer.


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A Psychological Problem:


I understand it is very difficult to leave Sunnism, particularly due to its "System of Subjection to Silly Questions" (sponsored by the "Harem for Holy Hearsay"). In this you ask how to perform wudu, how to walk, how to enter a house, how to eat, how to sleep, are tatoos haram etc. etc., but (for the folks at home), the response is to see that the System is simply a system. It is an institution designed to place importance on such things when there is none, thereby disabling the ability of the Sunni to disentangle his or her mind.

"Haram" and "Halal" - when applied to things which are not directly allowed or prohibited - are inadequate labels. Rather, things are to be placed on a spectrum of "Islamicness". For instance, tatoos do not help one be a better Muslim, and their only use is to appeal to people's superficiality (appearance etc.). Therefore the desire for a tatoo means there is something up with the Muslim's priorities. It thus becomes unofficially "haram", because there is no real "good intention" available. Everything should be judged by intention.

Should someone pray in front of a picture? If there is a picture in one's room, and it is in the line of sight between one and Mecca, foresight should instruct one to not put it there in the first place. This is because it might distract. If you can possibly know you will NOT be distracted, and that you will be 100% focussed in your prayer, then a picture of one's family may be visible. Of course pictures should be of something worth appreciating, and even if the person is non-Muslim, you are allowed to appreciate a memory (yes?).

Point is, you will most probably be distracted.

The list goes on, but it is an example of "judging by the Qur'an". The Qur'an says Muhammad only followed the Qur'an, so you must check these things. Also remember that "Haram" and "Halal" are prison bars used by the Sunni institution to prevent you using your brain.

I understand the next stage would be hadith "End Time" prophecies. This is where we explore the 'Harem for Holy Hearsay", and as long as we recognise that title, we never fall prey to the mirage. Why? Because you know what the Qur'an says about following humans.