Quran: Follow the previous scripture?

[Andantino]

Salam

as the title.. Which Scripture? Torah,Zaboor,Injeel?

so WHICH Injeel (Gospel) ?
Which Zaboor?
Which Torah?

i just think to read the previous scriptures after i done with my Quran.. and last time i checked about Injeel, there are many version of it.. Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Didache,etc...

[MaverickMonotheist]

Lol, uh oh.  Here we go (again).   

If you search the forum, you'll find a lot of previous discussions about it. 

Peace,
Joel

Salam

as the title.. Which Scripture? Torah,Zaboor,Injeel?

so WHICH Injeel (Gospel) ?
Which Zaboor?
Which Torah?

i just think to read the previous scriptures after i done with my Quran.. and last time i checked about Injeel, there are many version of it.. Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Didache,etc...

[Andantino]

ups sorry... my bad.. pls close this thread 

once again i;m sorry 

[MaverickMonotheist]

Peace Andantino,

I was kidding a little bit.  There's good information and discussion in the prior threads about previous scriptures.  Some will tell you that the non-canonical writings are the authentic torah and gospel, some will tell you that there is no prior scriptures.  I personally feel that the torah and gospel are the genuine prior scriptures - though there is some work that needs to be understood on the part of the reader to get useful information out of them.

Peace,
Joel

ups sorry... my bad.. pls close this thread 

once again i;m sorry 

[Andantino]

Peace Andantino,

I was kidding a little bit.  There's good information and discussion in the prior threads about previous scriptures.  Some will tell you that the non-canonical writings are the authentic torah and gospel, some will tell you that there is no prior scriptures.  I personally feel that the torah and gospel are the genuine prior scriptures - though there is some work that needs to be understood on the part of the reader to get useful information out of them.

Peace,
Joel

umm sorry, due to my lack of english, what do u mean by "Genuine prior scriptures?"

so sorry before 

[MaverickMonotheist]

Peace,

Some muslims feel that the Torah and Gospel that we have now are not the Torah and Gospel mentioned in the Quran.  They think the books used by Jews and Christians are either fake or so corrupt that there is no way to know what is genuinely from God.

This seems to be what most muslims I meet think.

Others think that books like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas, The Clementine Epistles, etc, contain the true Injil mentioned in the Quran, and the books in the New Testament are fake or hopelessly corrupted.  This is also a popular view in Islam.

I respectfully disagree with both of these views.  The Bible that we have today is the same Bible that was around at the time of the prophet.  The evidence for this is clear.

But if you want to read prior scriptures, you cannot read them the same way you read the Quran.  You will get too frustrated.  I suggest reading the following: Matthew, Mark, and Luke.  The Gospel of John requires some understanding of the Greek language and beliefs of Jews who were against the Jerusalem temple system, so for the time being I would wait until you understand some of these things better.  Keep in mind that the chapter and verse markings were not in the original text, they were added later.  I would also suggest reading the epistle of James.  You might also like the Jefferson Bible.  Thomas Jefferson compiled his own version of the gospel by editing the four gospels together and taking out all of the references to supernatural events.  At one time, a copy of this was given to every member elected to Congress in the United States.

Make sense?

Peace,
Joel

umm sorry, due to my lack of english, what do u mean by "Genuine prior scriptures?"

so sorry before 

[Bigmo]

Peace,

Some muslims feel that the Torah and Gospel that we have now are not the Torah and Gospel mentioned in the Quran.  They think the books used by Jews and Christians are either fake or so corrupt that there is no way to know what is genuinely from God.

This seems to be what most muslims I meet think.

Others think that books like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas, The Clementine Epistles, etc, contain the true Injil mentioned in the Quran, and the books in the New Testament are fake or hopelessly corrupted.  This is also a popular view in Islam.

I respectfully disagree with both of these views.  The Bible that we have today is the same Bible that was around at the time of the prophet.  The evidence for this is clear.

But if you want to read prior scriptures, you cannot read them the same way you read the Quran.  You will get too frustrated.  I suggest reading the following: Matthew, Mark, and Luke.  The Gospel of John requires some understanding of the Greek language and beliefs of Jews who were against the Jerusalem temple system, so for the time being I would wait until you understand some of these things better.  Keep in mind that the chapter and verse markings were not in the original text, they were added later.  I would also suggest reading the epistle of James.  You might also like the Jefferson Bible.  Thomas Jefferson compiled his own version of the gospel by editing the four gospels together and taking out all of the references to supernatural events.  At one time, a copy of this was given to every member elected to Congress in the United States.

Make sense?

Peace,
Joel

I agree with what you said about the Bible being the same as the one the Koran talked about and yes the Koran includes all the scriptures. I also agree with u that it should not beread like the Koran. This is because the Jesus was the word of God and not the Gospel. The gospel is the Book of God and so is the Torah though they contain some of God's word. The Koran is God's word. Jesus and the Koran are one since Jesus was given the holy spirit.

[Greatest-Truth]

Well bro it depends on which scripture you are refering to.
Lets say the Bible, You got the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Old Testament is also used by the Jews today, the New Testament is kind of hard to figure out.

All we know is that the NT is written by man and not sent by God. Well it might be sent by God but there is too many alterations in the NT mainly because disciples had their own ideas and other people put their view in there(Paul). Altho if someone is to read the NT he will clearly see that it refers to Jesus as a Human and not God, The whole God concept of Jesus is mainly preached by Christians and not the Bible.

The NT also tells us about alot of things such as that Jesus actaully never died nor was he crucified etc. Someone has to read the Bible between the lines to understand what it means.

As for the Torah we can kinda conclude that it has alterations as mentioned in the Quran, Plus this can be easily shown trough the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls added so much prophecies and other text to the OT that even a Christian/Jew can admit that dont have the same scriptures as back then. The Quran just confirms the stories and corrects these where they got exaturated.

Salaam.

[Student of Allah]

Well bro it depends on which scripture you are refering to.
Lets say the Bible, You got the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Old Testament is also used by the Jews today, the New Testament is kind of hard to figure out.

All we know is that the NT is written by man and not sent by God. Well it might be sent by God but there is too many alterations in the NT mainly because disciples had their own ideas and other people put their view in there(Paul). Altho if someone is to read the NT he will clearly see that it refers to Jesus as a Human and not God, The whole God concept of Jesus is mainly preached by Christians and not the Bible.

The NT also tells us about alot of things such as that Jesus actaully never died nor was he crucified etc. Someone has to read the Bible between the lines to understand what it means.

As for the Torah we can kinda conclude that it has alterations as mentioned in the Quran, Plus this can be easily shown trough the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls added so much prophecies and other text to the OT that even a Christian/Jew can admit that dont have the same scriptures as back then. The Quran just confirms the stories and corrects these where they got exaturated.

Salaam.

Shalom aleikhem,

That is the most remarkable thing I noticed about the crucifixion narratives in the Gospels. Even the accounts do not support the mainstream Christian ideas.


Peace
------------- Student of Allah

[MaverickMonotheist]

Peace Greatest-truth,

1) How many alterations do you think there are that cannot be explained by good scholarship?
2) If there were things in the bible that Jesus never actually did, then why were those documents pretty much universally accepted by early church authorities?  Why does the Qur'an speak well of the gospels, calling them a "guidance and light"?

Actually, the DSS that have books of Torah are very close to existing manuscripts.  There's no certainty that the Qumran community used the additional books as scripture equal to Torah.

Peace,
Joel

Well bro it depends on which scripture you are refering to.
Lets say the Bible, You got the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Old Testament is also used by the Jews today, the New Testament is kind of hard to figure out.

All we know is that the NT is written by man and not sent by God. Well it might be sent by God but there is too many alterations in the NT mainly because disciples had their own ideas and other people put their view in there(Paul). Altho if someone is to read the NT he will clearly see that it refers to Jesus as a Human and not God, The whole God concept of Jesus is mainly preached by Christians and not the Bible.

The NT also tells us about alot of things such as that Jesus actaully never died nor was he crucified etc. Someone has to read the Bible between the lines to understand what it means.

As for the Torah we can kinda conclude that it has alterations as mentioned in the Quran, Plus this can be easily shown trough the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls added so much prophecies and other text to the OT that even a Christian/Jew can admit that dont have the same scriptures as back then. The Quran just confirms the stories and corrects these where they got exaturated.

Salaam.