Salam, i think i'm gonna be a "Quraniyoon"

[Andantino]

Salam guys

as u guys see, u can call me andantino
i chose this name cause i do love Music especially slow romantic lol
and Quran recitation are sooo beautiful (andante style)

okay, thats a unique introduction i guess

I'm a Sunni Muslim, i'm from Indonesia,i'm sorry for my English, i know its bad and i hope i could make it better by practice here

i'm might be a Sunni, but i'm not that strict about Hadith, and i agree with most of Quranist idea about Quran and Hadith, and i'm interested with it. can i learn more about Quranism here? esp about Shalat, Zakat, Hajj/Pilgrimage, and laws in according to Quran? and of course about Hadith

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

@ Andantino: 

Have you read the articles on the main page? They may, ISA, answer many of your questions.

People follow their best understanding of AQ, so there are variances. For instance, the definition of what is modest varies according to time and place. This is by the design of ALLAH, because ALLAH knows what we need.

17:36 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.

Hadith are contained in AQ. It is the extra-Quranic hadith that are problematic. AQ states that it is complete, fully detailed, explained in detail, protected, and enough for a believer. Why would one wish to take anything else for the Deen--especially when extra-Quranic hadith are specifically warned against?

6:114 "Shall I seek other than GOD as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

6:115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

6:126 And this is the straight path of your Lord. We have fully detailed the revelations to a people who remember.

7:185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that GOD has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative [ḥadīthin] after this one will they believe?

68:36 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
68:37 Or do you have a book which you study?
68:38 In it, you can find what you wish?

45:6 These are the revelations of GOD, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative [ḥadīthin] after GOD and His revelations do they believe?

29:51 Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Book that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe.

25:30 And the messenger said: "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

[BornAgain]

Selamat datang Andantino! A fellow Indonesian here too =).

Glad you consider joining the dark side (just kidding, of course! ). By the way, why don't we ditch the labelling? We're not "Qur'aaniyyun", we are muslims .

On that note, I hope you enjoy your stay here.

Salaam hangat!

[Student of Allah]

Shalom Aleikhem,

Welcome to Free-Minds 

It will be nice of you if you share your findings with us. You can browse through the forum to see our views and opinions. There are articles presenting views of the authors of the articles.

If you want to learn to follow God alone, simply study the Qur'an. Free-minds is the unnecessary part. We can at best indoctrinate you with our understanding..lol. I dont recall God demanding that from you. He gave you a brain, you are to be judged by that. Simply give it your best, and let me assure that He is exceedingly merciful.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

[Andantino]

Greetings and Peace, all 

@ Andantino: 

Have you read the articles on the main page? They may, ISA, answer many of your questions.

People follow their best understanding of AQ, so there are variances. For instance, the definition of what is modest varies according to time and place. This is by the design of ALLAH, because ALLAH knows what we need.

17:36 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.

Hadith are contained in AQ. It is the extra-Quranic hadith that are problematic. AQ states that it is complete, fully detailed, explained in detail, protected, and enough for a believer. Why would one wish to take anything else for the Deen--especially when extra-Quranic hadith are specifically warned against?

6:114 "Shall I seek other than GOD as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

6:115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

6:126 And this is the straight path of your Lord. We have fully detailed the revelations to a people who remember.

7:185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that GOD has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative [ḥadīthin] after this one will they believe?

68:36 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
68:37 Or do you have a book which you study?
68:38 In it, you can find what you wish?

45:6 These are the revelations of GOD, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative [ḥadīthin] after GOD and His revelations do they believe?

29:51 Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Book that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe.

25:30 And the messenger said: "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

 

~Abdul-Hadi

Thank you Abdul-Hadi

Selamat datang Andantino! A fellow Indonesian here too =).

Glad you consider joining the dark side (just kidding, of course! ). By the way, why don't we ditch the labelling? We're not "Qur'aaniyyun", we are muslims .

On that note, I hope you enjoy your stay here.

Salaam hangat!

Salamun alaikum saudaraku 

akhirnya nemu org indo juga... ane rada ribet nih ngetik pake bahasa inggris.

hope i could learn more about english here 

Shalom Aleikhem,

Welcome to Free-Minds 

It will be nice of you if you share your findings with us. You can browse through the forum to see our views and opinions. There are articles presenting views of the authors of the articles.

If you want to learn to follow God alone, simply study the Qur'an. Free-minds is the unnecessary part. We can at best indoctrinate you with our understanding..lol. I dont recall God demanding that from you. He gave you a brain, you are to be judged by that. Simply give it your best, and let me assure that He is exceedingly merciful.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

Yes, i'd love to share about my "journey" from Sunni to Quranism, but... i'm not declare myself yet as a Quranist, or MUSLIM that follow Quran alone without Hadith. but at the same time, i do agree with most of Quranist views about Hadith (contradiction,etc)

and yes.. this questions in my head like goin to blow my heads up 

[Bender]

Yes, i'd love to share about my "journey" from Sunni to Quranism, but... i'm not declare myself yet as a Quranist, or MUSLIM that follow Quran alone without Hadith. but at the same time, i do agree with most of Quranist views about Hadith (contradiction,etc)

Salaam Andantino,

Welcome to the forum.

For me these 2 verses were my goodbye to the hadiths.

2:38 We said: "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
2:39 And those who disbelieve and deny Our ayaats, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.

InshaAllah these 2 ayaats will do the same for you as they did for me 
Bender

[_Ala_]

Salam Andantino 

Inshaa Allah you can increase in your faith of Allah and Quran and become a muslim on Ibrahims path and inshaa Allah this forum will help you not to feel alone in your believe.

Peace!

[BornAgain]

Salamun alaikum saudaraku 

akhirnya nemu org indo juga... ane rada ribet nih ngetik pake bahasa inggris.

hope i could learn more about english here

Salaam Andantino,

SaudarI kali ya, bukan saudarA . Eniwei, di sini sebenarnya banyak juga orang Indo, cuma mereka malu aja buat menampakkan diri haha.

Oh ya, kemarin aku nge-PM kamu =). Dicek yaaa...

Welcome again !

[Ikrame]

Salam,

I hope you enjoy.
May Allah increase all our knowlegde and help us become better servants.

I wanted to note on the side that the term quranism is not a correct one if I may say because one who follows quran alone should call themselves muslim see:

And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you MUSLIMS, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! 22:78

That offcourse counts for the one who submit to Allah. Further I think quranism gives people the impression that we are just another sect wich we are against because that s also being judged in the quran.

peace

[mmkhan]

i'm might be a Sunni, but i'm not that strict about Hadith, and i agree with most of Quranist idea about Quran and Hadith, and i'm interested with it. can i learn more about Quranism here? esp about Shalat, Zakat, Hajj/Pilgrimage, and laws in according to Quran? and of course about Hadith

Salaam Andantino,

to the forum, inshaAllah you will enjoy your stay here.

My reasons to disbelieve in Hadith are the following aayaats plus what brother Bender said.

1. We ask Allah for guidance to the straight path in 1:6 اِہۡدِ نَا الصِّرَاطَ الۡمُسۡتَقِیۡمَ and Allah answered us in 17:9 ...اِنَّ ہٰذَا الۡقُرۡاٰنَ یَہۡدِیۡ لِلَّتِیۡ ہِیَ اَقۡوَمُ that AlQuraan guides you to that which is straight.

Hence, no need for hadith to me.

2. Allah said in 16:89 that AlKitaab that was sent down explains about everything ...وَ نَزَّلۡنَا عَلَیۡکَ الۡکِتٰبَ تِبۡیَانًا لِّکُلِّ شَیۡءٍ... and nothing is left out of AlKitaab in 6:38 ...مَا فَرَّطۡنَا فِی الۡکِتٰبِ مِنۡ شَیۡءٍ...

What else I need hadith for if everything is already explained in the Book!

3. Allah asked us that don't you ponder in AlQuraan? And if this Book was from anyone other than Allah, we will get maximum contradictions in 4:82 اَفَلَا یَتَدَبَّرُوۡنَ الۡقُرۡاٰنَ ؕ وَ لَوۡ کَانَ مِنۡ عِنۡدِ غَیۡرِ اللّٰہِ لَوَجَدُوۡا فِیۡہِ اخۡتِلَافًا کَثِیۡرًا

This shows me clearly that any book on earth other than the Book of Allah will have maximum contradictions, so what I need hadith for?

Finally, the Book of Allah is more than enough for me 


May Allah help you taking right decisions and increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path 
mmKhan