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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2012, 11:32:40 AM »
and what about the hadith of the "pen and paper"....


and why does the Quran give the notion of Muhammed writing previous scriptures? (29:48)

and why does the Quran cite OTHER PEOPLE who probably KNEW MUHAMMED,
saying "...Fictional tales of old! He wrote them down while they were being dictated to him morning and evening." (25:5)

Muhammed had to have known letters, if he was truly a merchant as they say, the Quran does mention him dealing with buisness as selling/buying/trade....
letters were used as numbers... the ABJAD system...

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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2012, 11:45:01 PM »
Shalom Aleikhem,

Deal Helaldeshi, I am still busy and is not as active as before on Free-Minds forum. However, I am posting to let you know that I am waiting for your answer.




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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2012, 09:15:34 AM »
can you please explain to me what's ummi means? i do really wants to know ur view about it  :group:

it is a good question
i think we can respond ourselves, while reading the context where ummi is used in Quran

2:78 And among them are "ummis" who do not know the Book except by hearsay, and they only conjecture.
3:20 If they debate with you, then say: "I have submitted myself to God, as well as those who follow me." And say to those who have received the Book and to "ummis": "Have you submitted?" If they have submitted then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is Seer over the servants.

3:75 And from among the people of the Book are those whom if you entrust him with a large amount he gives it back to you, and there are those whom if you entrust with one gold coin he will not return it to you unless you are standing over him. That is because they said: "We have no obligation towards the "ummis"" They say about God lies while they know.
7:157 "Those who follow the "ummi" messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes lawful for them the good things, and he makes unlawful for them the evil things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and support him, and help him persevere, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful ones."
7:158 Say: "O people, I am a messenger of God to you all. The One who has the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, there is no god except He; He gives life and causes death." So believe in God and His "ummi" messenger prophet, who believes in God and His words; and follow him that you may be guided.
62:2 He is the One who sent to the "ummis" a messenger from among themselves, to recite to them His revelations, and to purify them, and teach them the Book and the wisdom. And before this, they were clearly astray.




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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2012, 09:22:06 AM »
Shalom Aleikhem,

Incase Helaldeshi returns.... please know that I am still waiting for your response.

@Everyone else : Please do not derail our conversation. I am waiting for a very long time now to hear the response of Helaldeshi to what I posted. The gentleman very boldly claimed something, if he is truthful, let him submit evidence. You guys can go back and read our conversation in this thread.

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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2012, 10:21:01 AM »
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I am not derailing your conversation, I try and put some momentum to it.I know you are still waiting.

 Either your friend has forgotten, has been banned by the moderators, or is not able to " read and write" ... or:

He has written a document and is waiting for it to " mature" .To look like - thousands of year old- document. ( In that case I will give him a hint; Pour coffee over it and dry it on the radiator. It will look authentic.)

meantime, while you are waiting, we are also waiting with you.
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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2012, 04:02:44 PM »
Peace - student of Allah_

I am not derailing your conversation, I try and put some momentum to it.I know you are still waiting.

 Either your friend has forgotten, has been banned by the moderators, or is not able to " read and write" ... or:

He has written a document and is waiting for it to " mature" .To look like - thousands of year old- document. ( In that case I will give him a hint; Pour coffee over it and dry it on the radiator. It will look authentic.)

meantime, while you are waiting, we are also waiting with you.
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Shalom Aleikhem,,

None of the posters on this thread actually posted to derail. The only reason I used the term is to make people realize that it would be really helpful for my dialogue with Helaldeshi if no one gives him an excuse to come back and totally avoid my post and get engaged in debating other topics. 

Thanks for waiting with me :) Inshallah, if Helaldeshi was speaking the truth, he will come back with evidence and refute me. Let us wait ... but I still wonder, people who immediately jump to conlcusion about my kafir/non-kafir status.... why do they not help by educating me when I ask these questions and show me the truth.


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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 10:58:34 AM »
Shalom aleikhem ,


Dear Heladeshi,

Just letting you know that waiting for you has become ritualistic for me now.lol. I check the topic regular, waiting for your response. It has been a long time now. You may chose not to respond for whatever reason you have (although I would like it very much that you respond). Can you atleast let me know if you lost interest ?

Incase you are wondering why I am so eager to hear your response, let me tell you that your "rage" and "confidence" while discussing the topics that you discussed on this site are extraordinary. I wish everything was that certain from my view, I happen to live in a world of black and white, plus grey. The grey zone is which makes me question my understanding along with yours.


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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2012, 12:58:42 PM »
Still no answer? I was gone for awhile. Guess I will wait with you Student. Hope you are doing well missed you guys!!
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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2012, 01:39:45 PM »
Still no answer? I was gone for awhile. Guess I will wait with you Student. Hope you are doing well missed you guys!!

Shalom Aleikhem,

thanks for waiting with me :) Praise be to Lord, I am doing ok. How about you and your family ? I hope you all are doing fine too. I hope "helaldeshi" is doing fine too, I am a bit worried now. I hope God kept "Helaldeshi" well and in peace, and I hope he does return to respond. :D

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Re: Muhammad could write but not read ?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2012, 12:23:30 AM »
Shalom Aleikhem,

Dear Helaldeshi, I am writing again to let you know that even though its like 5 months now, I am still waiting and checking this thread regularly to read your response. If it is too hard for you, I do not mind if you outsource your 'homework' and get a reply to my refutation from the thousands of scholars and their students.

If you do chose to return to free-minds and read this message, please do not disrespect my patience by going completely offtopic. It will be an honor for me to see how you refute my post. :)


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